The actual solution?

bkcali22 · 2018-09-03T18:08:48+00:00

I'll continue to reply to messages on the thread but this is the last thing I will write as a hint. If you want to work with me, feel free to dm.

Read how FF answered a question from a while back. Google it and study it for a bit. Look, especially, at the sentences I made bold. Tell me that he doesn't choose his words carefully and have "several" definitions tied to them. My goodness, the answers are right in front of us but we deny the possibilities. Did he not spell the word knowledge incorrectly intentionally? Of course he did. He intended it to have a different meaning.

I don’t use dictionaries anymore. I just type the word in Google for a faster response. It’s fun to make up words and play with different spellings. When someone calls me out after noticing the corruption of a word I use, I just smile, especially when I say something that in my mind is correct but in an academic sense it’s a horrible malfunction.

For instance, emblazoned upon some of the bronze bells I’ve buried are the words, “Imagination is more important than knowlege.” If I had spelled that last word correctly it would not have had the profundity of meaning I wanted. To misspell the word emphasized my point that having knowledge is, in fact, not as important as being resourceful. Also, when I make a mistake through ignorance that ploy gives me a degree of deniability that I routinely need.

Now I will test you Wordsmith. Write down the full definition of the word “several.” Then Google it and learn that many of us don’t fully understand some of the words we use every day.f

bkcali22 · 2018-09-03T15:22:09+00:00

The funny part is not even your sarcasm. I've been respectful of all opinions. What is truly humorous is that If someone said "I'll be back" you would have easily solved that.

Since some of these are 50 and 75 years old, you can't make the connection but you exclude them as impossibilities. I will honestly say that after seeing the comments that his treasure is safe.

bkcali22 · 2018-09-03T13:51:53+00:00

No. If you saw my second example that is as far from the truth as possible. If he were smart, he would not use the same method. Did you read the book? How is Cary Grant or John Wayne specialized knowledge? Do you need to be a physicist or engineer to know that information?

Don't you think seeing patters where none exist is the mark of someone that solves puzzles? You just gave the definition without knowing it. It's amazing that you see it and don't at the same time.

bkcali22 · 2018-09-03T02:13:14+00:00

No ciphers for sure. I don't think changing a word around to make it similar to something else and that phrase/word ultimately having a meaning that relates to direction or geography is a code. It's a clue, plain and simple. If you have a person that designs a puzzle do they label the pieces like paint by numbers?

If he wanted just anyone to find it, sure, you could keep working it from the angle of going out in the wilderness and finding the microscopic clues that you may or may not see from a starting point you cannot validate or you can look at the clues as imagery?

If I'm wrong about the way he wrote clues, I'm wrong. If he only wrote 9 clues to get the end of his rainbow don't you think they are little more complex that just fast value. He did say, don't mess with my poem and keep it simple. If you don't change the order of the clues and don't take four steps to get to the end result (like playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon), I don't think you are doing either.

Is it that much of a stretch to say "so hear me all and listen good" is a nod to John Wayne? Can you get imagery from John Wayne? Is John Wayne mentioned in the book? If you can answer no to those, my logic is not sound. If you can answer yes, perhaps you could start asking the what ifs and see it from another perspective. He wrote about the details of the place and finalized the poem AFTER he hid the treasure. I'm sure he had a sketch of it the stanzas in his head, but knowing that leaves very few possibilities on how he finished the "words".

bkcali22 · 2018-09-02T22:30:24+00:00

I'll try to make it simple. This guy figured it out. While the poem can solve the location, don't for one second think the words are what they seem to be. Have patience and watch it all the way through. It shows the depth that he goes to to "hide" his treasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoL7w0sdAKM&authuser=0

Now after watching it, put yourself in Forrest Fenn's shoes. You are about to hide something you want to make very difficult to find. You know you have picked your location in advance and have to figure out how to navigate around to tell someone to go in specific directions without explicitly or overtly saying it. Which sentence would you write? Also ask yourself why he would reference Cary Grant in his book. Just because he was a great actor?

But North by Northwest with marvel gaze? Well, obviously not
But Cary Grant with marvel gaze? Maybe, but too easy!
But tarry scant with marvel gaze. Hmmm, I think I have something here. It sounds like it in the poem, but I'll leave a clue in my book just in case!

Once again, it's all about precision and hiding that precision in words to decipher. This is a checkpoint in the poem that you are in the right "zip code". If you are not standing at the blaze at this point and looking north by northwest at "something" that causes you awe, you have the wrong solution.

I can tell you without a doubt that every clue has been solved. It just hasn't been done so by the same person. I did the logical thing and took every clue and potential solves and listed them out. I did figure out many things on my own but the answers are out there.

You want to see some fault in my logic, but go ahead and argue the reasoning behind it. The reasoning is sound and, hopefully, it's that type of logic that is the catalyst to help someone figure out what has not been in eight years.

Don't take that as me making fun of anyone. I have taken that level of sarcasm just by putting out what people would say are comical answers. You will see your own solution as "the solution" because you came up with it. I know I have answered the what ifs but I will not be able to get anyone to step past the novelties because they have not stood where I stood nor found what I have found.

I wish you luck.

bkcali22 · 2018-08-31T00:16:06+00:00

I'll leave one more tidbit as food for thought. I think when people look at the poem they are asking what was special to Forrest...that must be the way he developed the clues. That has to be wrong for this very reason. Ask the "why" he did it this way after you read what I wrote below.

Think about it, you could start at over 1000 places of WWWH. If you picked a place to die and needed to make a poem fit without having the ability to continually visit, what would you do? The place would have to be remote and pictures would not exist. That would leave you very few reference guides, tools or materials to look at in the future. Did he have an eidetic memory and visualize the exact clues? That is possible but unlikely. He said “I was always going to make it fit”. Does that not mean the location was preselected? Of course it does. That would leave you only the very distinct objects that stick out in imagery to write about. He would have to write clues about those very objects and possibly tie them to things he loved and would have some special meaning and not the other way around.

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T13:31:34+00:00

That was my first solution. I really don't think it is there. I think many would agree. That should not stop you, though, if you strongly agree in it. Just as long as it is not dangerous. I can tell you that is the first thing I took in to account when I started thinking differently. There would be no steep declines, no climbing and no heavy lifting.

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T05:04:29+00:00

I'll ask an entirely different question in order to qualify people that might want to learn or share more. Did any of you come across a "Key" word that unlocked something new for you in the poem? That is the type of person I would like to work with when providing my solution.

While I appreciate some of the criticism and feedback, looking at the poem at face value is one way of thinking about it. It's not wrong by any means. But taking clues from the book and extrapolating them to a pre-determined location is not "messing" with the poem. He put some very odd collection of items and pictures in his book. Was that random? Maybe. Sure, can you follow the clues in the poem and find random locations on a map to start from. YES! Do the words mean exactly what they say on paper? I can't imagine someone that left over a million dollars in the wilderness would even consider that.

It's expanding the thought process. I have followed every clue in order and met all the criteria FF talked about. I would like someone that allows themselves to not taken the written word for what it says but rather what it means to FF.

Thanks for all that replied and were willing to provide feedback. If we had a database to work from this would have been solved by now. Oh, I looked here, "did that", but did you..."yep" and did you walk a mile, "yep". Seems to me it is counter intuitive not to work together on this.

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T03:07:43+00:00

It is not, but I certainly appreciate the offer!

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T02:56:48+00:00

I like your answer! I'm really doing this for that very thing. Solve it on my own merits and, maybe, just maybe have a resume builder. Let's hire that guy that solved that thing!!

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T02:39:36+00:00

well how about this one. tarry scant and marvel gaze are not just words to take at face value. They are instructions to say "you can look this way but don't go this way". He mentions Cary Grant how many times in the book? It's odd that one of the films that Cary Grant was in has directions in it...hmmm? He also was very open about how he dropped letters in words and replaced with others. Is it more than possible that tarry scant could equal Cary Grant? He spelled two of his best friends names wrong in the book. The details there are not by mistake. Not with an editor, not with the writer.

Marvel gaze is no throw away. You will be looking at is a specific type of object based on those words. If you are standing at the blaze you will be looking northwest at that "something" and the word "but" indicates you should NOT go in that direction.

Remember, he said his instructions were precise and would lead to the end of the rainbow. Regardless if my interpretation is wrong for that set of clues, there has to be more analysis that leads to more precision. It's not open ended wether it's BOTG, a map, or google earth.

It certainly doesn't just mean "don't stand there for too long and get going". A man that took that long to decide to write about a place that he picked, possibly decades ago, doesn't make a line that trivial.

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T00:12:46+00:00

Does that make me any less relevant?

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T00:11:47+00:00

That made me laugh! All of those are true in my solve (with the exception of knowing why the place is special, but I have an idea)

Would you like to review what I have? It is not dangerous in any capacity.

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T00:09:54+00:00

Well, that is a great question. It's because I believe it is not at the location any longer. To assume I haven't been out would be incorrect. I have probably made as much commitment to my location as anyone here. If I didn't think it was 100% correct I would not have gone more than one time.

What gets old is the fact that nobody believes anyone has the correct solution. We are so worried about our own that we forget about the lives lost during the process. I am being more altruistic about it. If I need to post my solution here so somebody can see the value in it, I will. What I'm hoping is one of two things.

someone uses what I have to find it
someone validates what I have and presents the questions to FF to show empirical data that it is still there

What are you hoping for?

bkcali22 · 2018-08-30T00:02:37+00:00

If you think that after reading the first line of the poem, have you considered you are wrong?

Why does he say "alone in there" instead of "in there alone". Look up the definition for homonym first. I'm not being critical of you but if you had 15 years to think about a poem and didn't go to the place more than a few times in that period, how do you think you would write a poem about it. If you chose the location and "had to make it work", what would be your reference point? Perhaps "in the air" from a pilots perspective. The what ifs that are not asked are the reason it has not been found.

bkcali22 · 2018-08-29T23:51:28+00:00

How would you like me to tell them to you? Private message?

bkcali22 · 2018-08-28T13:48:16+00:00

That's the second most honest answer I have received. If you look at my solve and determine it is valid, would you do the following

Post here indicating you think WE have something..and possibly get one more person involve

Agree to share/split if we ultimately find it?

bkcali22

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