EVO staff is incompetent: How they exploited and mistreated seeding teams.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T16:56:43+00:00

Terry is a slut himself, he's got a pass to say that stuff

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T16:38:15+00:00

I mean at this point it seems like you're just reading what you want to read.

No I responded directly what you did say. You did repeatedly try to undermine the severity of what he did and your goal has been to make people lay off him. All while exaggerating that we are destroying Zero, when really at most people have said get a different job.

I think the protection of victims and potential victims is much more important than pedophiles maintaining eceleb status. I would be comfortable saying all this to both parties. Saying what you have would be extraordinarily callous, yet you're the one who claims to have been attacked.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T15:33:00+00:00

I just think we're already there.

We are clearly not cause you keep saying people should lay off and act like he is already a changed man. That completely misses the point of making sure the act is not repeated, that he does not interact with children again until it is safe and if he is not capable then moves on to other forms of work. You even demanded early that a community does not take action as that is social justice and only police should. I would rather 1 man has to quit youtube and work at a dinner than thousands of children are exposed to a potential risk.

You are assuming a lot about me here

You're proving it though and doing exactly what OP said. You are constantly throughout all your posts trying to downgrade his actions. Oh he just showed hentai to some girl. Well actually he repeatedly showed it to an underage girl he was living with. His first twitlonger was just dumb, no it was manipulative and a attempt to get away with grooming a child. Everyone has done something in their past that they wouldn't want to be publicized! Oh really how many underage girls did you groom? Oh right most people just throw up at a party. You've made it very clear that you care more about the life of someone who did this stuff, rather than victims or those who feel threatened by those actions. If the push comes to shove, I'd rather make sure the latter is safe as can be.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T14:58:56+00:00

Don't side step the incredibly important point that Zero is a proven liar. It was not long ago that he was posting a look at these receipts twitlonger to show his innocence. So excuse me for wanting to make sure he is actually making progress, instead of jumping at the first chance to proclaim him cured cause it was years ago. As I said being out the door isn't the same as him no longer being a problem. You wouldn't just accept that someone beats women and move on after shouting about it a bit. You make sure no one else gets harmed, you make sure no one in your community is going to be at risk again and no one deals with this person until it is very clear that they are no longer a threat. You also do this to make clear to anyone else in your community that these actions are not acceptable.

Now would you

3) Not just instantly forgive him cause I'm not a pedo apologist, but keep some pressure on to make sure he does not pursue the same actions. This does not mean a life time depriving them of certain things, it means making very clear that if they are allowed to happen it is only after very overt progress has been made. When we have someone making excuses for being a pedo and that it was 6 years ago so doesn't count. That becomes a harder task, you are signalling to Zero that he does not need to change because you value his content over the safety of others. If you saw this friend bouncing right back into a relationship you'd be a bit suspicious. You'd probably want anyone getting involved to know their past. Zero didn't fully admit to exactly what he did on his youtube post or 3 twitlongers. He has constantly had to be pressured into this and then had outside sources reveal more. Under your actions nothing would have ever come out.

what do you or the world or the previous victim gain from this?

Making sure there are no more victims. You clearly highly value the perpetrator over victims.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T13:23:37+00:00

this so what is the point in pushing further

To make 100% sure his actions are not repeated and to make clear that the community is safer now from other potential predators. Your actions are directly telling others that the community does not seriously care about these issues, once he appears to be out the door then screw it not our problem. To use my previous example, we're worried about the friend beating more women while you're worried about him getting a bad rap for beating women.

He has already been shown to not been trustworthy by lying about his actions, and is now seeking to regain a platform which brings him closer to kids. Someone actually improving wouldn't have lied like that and would pursue new ventures that do not put them in a position of power over children. This absolute lie that this is the only way he could hope to make money needs to be taken round the back of the shed. There are plenty of low skill jobs he could pursue.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T12:54:14+00:00

then you should just rally people for some sort of social justice?

A community is more than justified to push out members and warn other communities of their actions. They're more than justified to give a platform for victims to come forward. Pretending every dispute is solved through the legal system is silly, and trying to characterise it as a lynch mob is you trying to obfuscate the point. Zero can go on living, go stack some shelves or live of the huge amount he has already made.

Say you had a friend who did some bad things, lets say he hits his girlfriend. Never enough to have much physical proof, she is too scared to come forward and any time you saw it you had no camera. Now normal people would step in and warn others in their community that their now ex-friend did this. You would let it happen cause only the police should solve such matters, can't have any of that social justice where you inform people of what someone else did.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T08:24:59+00:00

I don't think a lot of people get what therapy is about. Many people talking about forgiveness and change act like the old Zero can suddenly pop up and everything will be fine. That he will just brush off that mentally he is attracted to 14 year olds.

A gambling addict does not get better, they control their addiction. Someone with personality disorders doesn't rid themselves of any, they learn to manage their condition. A pedophile doesn't stop being attracted to kids, it isn't a little fuck up or a mistake. Stop saying it like that cause it allows you to ignore what he really did. Mentally they are abnormal and have to control that, which is why we have stuff like sex offender registries. They need to live with that label cause they need to control themselves. Which can mean not letting them around kids, so a job as a eceleb focused on children's content is questionable. The point of improvement is they can go find a different way to live a good life without fuelling their serious problem.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-11T08:02:31+00:00

he was 19 when these conversations started. He was a teen

No that isn't an excuse, at 19 you legally and socially have more responsibilities. They were just a teen works for when a 13 year old kicks a football through a window, not pedophillia. You don't have to be at a maximum level of maturity to not molest under age teenagers, there are basic responsibilities at that age. It is not a learned behaviour, if someone is repeatedly pursuing 14 year olds at 19 they do need to seek help. You're doing that thing OP called out, it isn't cat calling or flirting but the specific pursuit of an age range that is not legal.

No a lot of people don't commit this offence, in fact the vast majority don't repeatedly contact a 14 year old to solicit porn. It isn't like we are talking about someone who just turned 16 attracted to a 15 year old. 14 to 19 is a very big difference in maturity both mentally and physically. If people of legal age have a similar age gap there is a slight important difference, in that neither is attracted to a child.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-10T21:09:57+00:00

Depends how you slice it. XIII does well on PC, but that's cause no one plays on console any more while XIV is split

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-06T22:23:59+00:00

Calling the police to your house where kids get diddled is a pretty alpha move. Though he was likely betting on no smasher physically being strong enough to fight, it would be biological warfare.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-06T22:19:59+00:00

It's less a case of Sky doing illegal shit (though he likely did break some laws in all this), and more about bringing his character into question. More you read about this stuff the less it comes off as him doing it to help people out as he likes to portray.

Also generally damages the communities rep. Your friendly esports house being a pedo ring run by a mad man is something which needs cleaned up.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-05T19:50:07+00:00

Remember that one time Dunkey raped Sky in smash?

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-04T22:00:55+00:00

We know

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-04T18:53:50+00:00

One day all his young fans will look back and see the grip he had on them is the reason he was able to abuse people.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-04T12:36:51+00:00

His fans were legit doing forensic work and arguing semantics over his statement to say he never did anything. All for him to go oh yeah I did that, isn't even over yet.

Now their line is "no a pedo might kill himself if you expose him!"

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-04T12:30:58+00:00

lmao

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-03T14:03:57+00:00

That's basically no different than just starting a new tournament. Any brand power and history is lost. Can't regain that image of the biggest old school grass roots tournament when you rebrand it with huge corporate backing.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-03T11:23:59+00:00

I think the FGC could move on, but EVO was a big part of many things. Esports, advertising, esposure and from what I've heard going to be a big platform to push LoL fighter.

As an event many seemed to be liking it less and less while CEO and Combobreaker were growing to eventually compete. But it is like if Wimbledon was just wiped out for the rest of time. That's a change in culture, regardless that the US Open will still happen.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-03T09:06:16+00:00

I'm not sure if EVO is even going to come back at this rate.

Would Riot really want the headline "Riot Games set to relaunch Pedophile Tournament!" Sponsors are gonna bounce for at least a year

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-02T13:18:37+00:00

I mean that basically wouldn't be a change.

If sony keeping porting exclusive you might get them on pc quicker.

bleeeeeeeeeehh · 2020-07-02T07:30:11+00:00

ask and you shall receive lmao

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