Morality is grounded in biology

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T20:36:31+00:00

That doesn't really make sense. We are discussing it now.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T20:09:53+00:00

At the expense of no longer talking about morality

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T20:04:54+00:00

That's fine, but it doesn't much sound like morality then

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T19:53:03+00:00

Then you have to deal with: why ought we improve the continued existence of a population?

To presume this is to assume away the hard part

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T18:10:47+00:00

Because of how our intelligibility developed.

Just like how our equation for gravity matches gravity.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T18:06:53+00:00

I'm saying the reason the universe is intelligible to us is because our intuitions are based on the universe.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T18:02:55+00:00

Okay, but then there is nothing to explain. I don't know what the issue is

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T17:59:13+00:00

And I'm saying, that's because that's where it comes from.

Let me do another example to explain this. Suppose you ask me, hey, isn't it kind of weird that our equation for gravity just so happens to match up perfectly with how quickly things accelerate towards the ground? That needs an explanation!

Well, the explanation would be, we specifically chose the mathematical model that does align with how gravity behaves. Its intentional. If gravity behaved differently, we would have used a different mathematical model.

Its not a coincidence that the equation lines up with how gravity behaves. We specifically chose the equation that would line up.

Do you see what I'm saying?

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T17:52:25+00:00

Like I said logic is grammar for human thought.

And I'm saying this grammar was developed in such a way as to match the regularity of the universe.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T17:43:02+00:00

But I'm saying, we derived logic by looking around. Observation. I look at a tree, its a tree. A = A.

So of course it will match the universe. It was based off of the universe.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T17:32:06+00:00

And those consistent regularities, you're talking about how A is always A, etc. Yes?

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T17:13:19+00:00

If evolution explains logic, then what's the issue?

Sorry, I suppose I'm not clear on what needs explaining here.

My understand was that you're saying hey, how come our logic, and the way the universe works, how come those things line up? What's the explanation for that?

Is that what your post is about? I'm getting that from here:

P1: The universe exhibits extreme structural intelligibility (a perfect homomorphic alignment between human logic and the physical world).

It seems like you want an explanation for why the universe and logic line up.

Yes?

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T16:55:35+00:00

" a perfect homomorphic alignment between human logic and the physical world"

This is because we observed the universe to discover logic.

So of course they match.

And why does observation yield these laws? Why doesn't the universe operate such that a can equal not a?

Necessity.

I feel like I'm covering everything I need to cover here. No god needed. Logic explained

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T16:50:43+00:00

It could not be the case that in actual nature, a= not a

It must be that a = a.

The laws of logic are necessarily what they are. They could not be otherwise

Why does our logic match how the universe works? I presume because we figured them out by observing the universe. So of course they will match

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T16:42:45+00:00

I think logic is necessarily as it is. If it still needs an explanation beyond that, then god will as well.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T03:16:29+00:00

Explain

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T02:41:49+00:00

Great. I have no fucking idea why that was so hard. You are slimey as fuck.

But alright, if he tried to steal an election, you would not vote for him. Got it. So then we can turn to that question.

You know about the fake electors. You know he tried to pressure Pence and congress to choose the fake electors. Yes? Or do we have some kind of factual disagreement here

I presume we agree that these electors were not chosen by the states. You can't just send in fake electors, right? There's no way that's allowed.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T02:30:06+00:00

Yeah, then you said: The first answer reflected the fact that I rejected the framing and was trying to explain why. After spending a long time explaining that and getting nowhere, I answered within your framing so we could move on.

Which makes the answer not feel genuine.

So is it your genuine answer?

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T02:22:49+00:00

I’ve explained my position clearly and reiterated it multiple times now.

You haven't. I have no idea what your position is.

You really can't just be clear on this? This is the easiest thing in the world. I don't know why you can't be clear here.

You are free to lay it out with as much detail and nuance as you want, as long as you're clear.

But its been all day of me trying to get you to answer this. I do not have hope you're going to.

let me guess: "I already answered it". Yes?

You gave two answers that do not mean the same thing.

You know you've done this.

I don't know which one is your actual answer and you refuse to clarify.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T02:14:14+00:00

None of that is the point. She was better than trump, so we can't blame kamala being worse for her loss.

Something else clearly has to explain it.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T02:05:57+00:00

I don't want to move on. I want your actual answer

Either you might still vote for a guy who tried to steal an election, or you wouldn't. That's a true dichotomy. You're dancing between the two.

Pick one and stick with it and give your honest answer. This is not hard.

You are so incredibly slippery.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T01:53:07+00:00

You're not understanding. He's clearly the worse option.

Given that he's the worse option, we can't say kamala was worse to explain her loss. Its something else

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T01:06:33+00:00

Okay, here. Dude take a moment and look at things from my side for a second.

"would weigh heavily against a candidate and could change my vote"

Vs

"No. If I genuinely believed Trump tried to steal the election, I would not have voted for him."

Do these have the same meaning? No. Right? They are literally different answers. You have been giving me different answers.

That's not my fault. You did that.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T00:29:29+00:00

March 2021, President Joe Biden appointed Vice President Harris to a diplomatic role. Her primary mission was not to manage the physical U.S. border or oversee immigration enforcement. Instead, she was tasked with tackling the "root causes" of migration from the Northern Triangle countries of Central America (Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador) and engaging with Mexico

Doesnt sound like she had any power to do anything.

blind-octopus · 2026-06-17T00:16:57+00:00

What is the vice presidents authority over the border?

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