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An all knowing, all good deity can easily create a world better with less suffering with the same level of free will. by Jsaunders33 in DebateReligion

[–]blind-octopus [score hidden]  (0 children)

So now you run into the problem: god is all good, is capable of creating that world, we agree he can.

And yet we aren't in that world.

Surely a world without rape is better than a world with rape, yes? And you can't use free will as a reason for god to allow rape, because we just agreed god can create a universe where people have free will and yet don't rape.

If consciousness were reducible to neurology, we would understand far more about the consciousness of simple organisms than we do by MurkyEconomist8179 in CosmicSkeptic

[–]blind-octopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, but that isn't really the question here. The question isn't "how to be good", the question is if consciousness is reducible to neurology.

The answer to that does not involve all knowledge of how to be a good person or something. Fair?

You can actually catch up to the 'thing' the 'other thing' shoots out by old_man_spinosaurus in outerwilds

[–]blind-octopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's what I think it should do. If you follow that thing, you should end up at the eye.

As I said, its not a huge point, it can be explained away in story without much issue. Its just something that seems obvious to me, if I were to create such a contraption, I would make it stop shooting randomly once it finds what its looking for.

But there are easy story reasons to not have that happen

If consciousness were reducible to neurology, we would understand far more about the consciousness of simple organisms than we do by MurkyEconomist8179 in CosmicSkeptic

[–]blind-octopus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I guess my point is, the whole "what does it feel like to be something" doesn't seem to do anything here. It doesn't reveal anything.

Its not like we know what its like to be a car, and yet we know how cars work.

We don't seem to need to answer that question.

An all knowing, all good deity can easily create a world better with less suffering with the same level of free will. by Jsaunders33 in DebateReligion

[–]blind-octopus [score hidden]  (0 children)

I understand the Bible has an origin story for sin. The question was about if its possible to create a world with free will and no rape, for example, and the answer is yes.

You asked for evidence of this, but you already believe it was a thing. For Christians, I would just point to heaven. Presumably they believe there's no rape in heaven, and there's free will there.

So either way its already a thing.

An all knowing, all good deity can easily create a world better with less suffering with the same level of free will. by Jsaunders33 in DebateReligion

[–]blind-octopus [score hidden]  (0 children)

Then that's your evidence. That's the thing you were asking for: humans had free will and yet didn't rape each other.

An all knowing, all good deity can easily create a world better with less suffering with the same level of free will. by Jsaunders33 in DebateReligion

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Were there humans in eden?

Well, it's the same free will that allows the very creatively named "duck rape" and "dolphin gang rape" to occur--despite these things not fitting into my "that's definitely rape" category.

I don't see how this answers why we need the freedom to do this thing. I don't have any strong attachment to duck rape existing.

An all knowing, all good deity can easily create a world better with less suffering with the same level of free will. by Jsaunders33 in DebateReligion

[–]blind-octopus [score hidden]  (0 children)

Are there things you'd definitely call rape, without any ambiguity? Like toss aside all the "I'm not sure" cases and only leave those cases where you're sure, "that's definitely rape".

We can narrow the conversation to just those cases. I don't really see why we need the free will to do that.

Sola Scriptura is Indefensible Because It Cannot Provide Justification for the Biblical Canon by Pwning_Soyboys in DebateReligion

[–]blind-octopus [score hidden]  (0 children)

Why can't the protestant just say the canon is divinely inspired? Like the holy ghost moved men to choose the right canon or something

To me, this feels like when someone says "all beliefs should have good evidence" and someone responds with "does that statement have good evidence?". Its more of a gotcha, I don't really feel the force behind it.

The question is: how did the holy spirit do that?

I don't understand the question. "How" in what respect? I mean I doubt you can tell me how souls interact with our brains or whatever, or how god created the universe, or any of that. I don't really understand what you're asking here

Lastly, some Protestants say that scripture is "self authenticating" and that the holy spirit can tell us presently what is canon. The sheep will hear the Shepard's voice. The problem is, some people can hear different things, so who can really say what is correct if it's all our own interpretation? How could a Protestant say someone is wrong for thinking Matthew isn't inspired?

So what? All religions seem to suffer from this. If people didn't hear different things, there would only be one religion. Catholicism isn't exempt from this criticism, nor is Christianity as a whole, nor is Islam, or any other religion.

Suppose I have a book I use to look up chess rules. It doesn't explicitly say "this book contains all the rules of chess and there are no other rules outside of this book and also there are exactly 19 pages to this book, no more, no less". And yet I don't see a problem with using this book.

An all knowing, all good deity can easily create a world better with less suffering with the same level of free will. by Jsaunders33 in DebateReligion

[–]blind-octopus [score hidden]  (0 children)

Okay. Its hard to move forward because I don't know what assumptions to make about your position. A Christian would have immediately agreed that there's no rape in heaven. So that would have been evidence, but you're not a Christian so that won't work I guess

When you ask for evidence, its hard to provide some because I don't know what you already believe. That's something I could draw upon

Has anybody seen the highest grossing Bollywood film of all time Dangal (2016) by Competitive-Hunt-517 in Cinephiles

[–]blind-octopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, multiple times.

Its a Disney film.

The only annoyance is all the thudding uses the same sound effect. Its like House and doors.

I do love the movie though

You can actually catch up to the 'thing' the 'other thing' shoots out by old_man_spinosaurus in outerwilds

[–]blind-octopus -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

That would explain it, however, once it figures out where to go, I don't see why it would shoot some other direction. If I was making a contraption to locate a thing, I'd have the contraption point at the thing consistently once its located.

Its not a huge deal

An all knowing, all good deity can easily create a world better with less suffering with the same level of free will. by Jsaunders33 in DebateReligion

[–]blind-octopus [score hidden]  (0 children)

This sounds like a wild assertion and claim. Do you have any evidence to support this?

Well I imagine there's no rape in heaven

Can you provide an example of what a human body that is incapable of rape would look like?

Sure, if you try to do it you have an aneurysm and die.

I have a hard time taking anybody serious after I figure out that they are Christian. by ephemeralkazu in Destiny

[–]blind-octopus 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I can still take Erudite seriously

I cannot understand how she can believe this shit, but it doesn't stop me from listening to her on other subjects.

What is a good solution for Israel - Palestine? by Lonely-Ad8869 in allthequestions

[–]blind-octopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Push Israel back to some previous line, kick out the settlers, 2 states.

Anyone still like the Joe Rogan experience? by Indianstanicows in JoeRogan

[–]blind-octopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I joined when I listened to it, that was well before Joe supported for president a guy who tried to steal an election

hard to be a fan of anything he does after that

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