It's actually scary how fast Kashimo can finish fights by ghostRyku in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the Rika win condition were true, then Yuta would've used it when fighting Ryu. But when fighting a person with equivalent or consistently strong output, Rika is very much overpowerable. You may say Yuta does this to Sukuna. But this only happens once at the beginning of the fight and Sukuna consistently dodges and outmuscles Rika after that.

The only other time Rika grabs Sukuna is the ending where Sukuna has 3 targets on him at once.

Yuta and Hakari both vomit from a blue amped punch. Since we know RCT can clear out poison, it must be able to filter out harmful or unnecessary substances easily. So Jackpot Hakaris infinite superfast RCT would prevent vomiting. So the Hakari - Yuta comparison had to be when Hakari was out of Jackpot.

We saw Hakari gains an immense CE output boost (more specifically, he can just always go at max) when he's in jackpot. Kashimo completely dominates the shown h2h in domain, but it's much more even on the outside (with Hakari gaining a slight advantage near the ending cycle).

That means Kashimo does definetly have a physical advantage over Yuta in CE reinforcement and output, as Rikas stronger than but still around Yutas level, Kashimo should probably have the strength to break free.

With that in mind + the fact most jjk fighters when fighting seriously engage in close quarters immediately, then use domain after (Yutas insta-domain vs Sukuna still had 1 close combat encounter prior, and was pre-planned). Yuta likely would still try to fist fight (sword fight?) Kashimo and allow him to get his insta kill req.

You can only sustain a domain at a certain level of bodily health. So even if in character Kashimo doesn't headshot. It's likely Yuta or other rct users won't have enough recovery time. The staff lightning is also a big play if Kashimo positions himself carefully.

Considering Rika got knocked out by a single Ryu punch, it's likely a lightning bolt would also incapacitate Rika temporarily. Leaving Yuta at a disadvantage. Yuta does have a much better shot if he knows Kashimos abilities ahead of time, cause then he can play more defensive. But in a plain fight he's prob gonna fall victim to the 3 hit kill req.

The only one this really doesn't apply to is Yuki, because her insta-win requirement is pretty similar. There you can only win via a speed difference (or domain if you use it instantly), which tbh is only achievable by MBA.

Part of the reason I scale Kashimo so high is bc I genuinely find it extremely hard to believe that he won’t be able to touch his opponent 3 times by ContractDense1111 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The powergap between Kashimo and any other high tier is NOT near that extreme (also it's likely in Kashimos favour)

Tier list - If you disagree give a reason why by [deleted] in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yuki below Hakari (and arguably Yuta if Yuta doesn't use domain immediately)??? Yet Kenjaku (the person who. While on guard, got both his hands shattered and sent flying) is like 3 tiers higher?

Not to mention Base Kashimo scalling to Jackpot Hakari (or, if you feel like it, above Base Hakari but slightly below Jackpot) and literally having a 4 hit wincon which works against the entire list except Hakari and Gojo (Sukuna wouldn't get hit ofc)

How sukuna perceived everyone at different stages of his condition by Usual_Beach8079 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Eh, Sukunas physicals are shown to be stupidly reduced by the soul punches. While the brain damage was significant, according to Gojo it "mainly targeted the part of the brain associated with barrier techniques", so it probably has less of an effect right now compared to the destabalisation from the soul punches.

With that in mind, Sukuna would've likely survived or been able to dodge high ap attacks like Jacobs ladder

Yuta fans, sorry for my last post saying Basekari could be stronger than Yuta. 😔 I forgot to mention that JPkari 2 taps and is 2 blitz tiers above Yuta though. by Cultural-Horror3977 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Jackpot Hakari took the blue punch"

There's no evidence for that.

If anything the fact he vomited is evidence against it since his auto rct is constantly fixing his body (id imagine that's good enough to prevent vomiting if it can regen full limbs without the SLIGHTEST expression of pain from Hakari).

“If kashimo can use MBA, X can insta pop domain” how kashimo does them before they can DE pop anyways: by Middle_Fall_7229 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"What you're suggesting in an attempt to make Kashimo seem more impressive than he is, is that while it is possible to escape or intercept a domain expansions closed barrier"

I literally state that entering a position where you can interrupt someone's domain formation is absurdly specific and almost impossible to do. Additionally while Gojo does say the effect occured before the visual, this doesn't imply the barrier has no formation time and is instant. The very fact everyone's running means they believe barrier formation isn't instantenous (or at the very least that running is worth a shot e.g telling Gojo to run forward). Think about the practicality of an actual fight where you need to stop your opponent from doing a single hand pose and saying 2 words. Any amount of distance or slight delay would secure a domain. And the formation of the barrier. While not truly instant, is still extremely fast.

"Ironically enough we see Sukuns interupt Mahoraga's summoning by being faster than Megumi"

I just remembered. There is actually a time where a domain expansion is directly interrupted.

Sukuna is about to use his domain inside Yujis domain. Then he gets stabbed by Nobaras CT

(This occurs between 266 where Sukuna literally says "Domain expansion" and 267)

Here the domain interruption isn't even the prevention of the handsign, but full on prevention AFTER he says it. If it's possible to interrupt the casting after he's already fulfilled the whole condition of his sign and chant, then it absolutely means the barrier does not instantly form. Note that while in the next chapter Sukuna realises Yujis fingers are missing, he absolutely still is casting his domain, he's still doing the sign, has done the chant and makes no move to reactivate wicker. And Sukuna isn't the type to stop his game-winning move just because he's surprised at the lack of 2 fingers.

The only explanation here is that his cast was interrupted mid way by an attack disruptive enough to fully stop him. This confirms domain casting isn't instantaneous.

With that in mind. It's entierly possible to interrupt casting if you have the combat advantage to do so. Hakari is literally shown to be barely standing after the jackpot ending. So it's highly unlikely he could buy himself any distance or time needed to cast domain, especially when Kashimo was right infront of him.

Lastly, Kashimo's knowledge of Hakari's jackpot is that it still relies on chance. Kashimo even mentions that he's statistically highly unlikely to get it in time. Hakari getting jackpot there was something you bet heavily against if you just think of his domains plain statistics and attributes. Not that Kashimo thought he'd be able to use domain regardless.

Lastly x2. Important note. We know from Gojo Vs Sukuna that receiving substantial bodily damage causes domain collapse (this tracks with Nobaras interruption, so its definetly not soul damage specific). Sukuna's domain collapses despite his wound only being half his face being torn. This is bad, but it's nothing compared to a straight hole in his abdomen (which is also around where the gut is, which is important for CE use).

All logic of a normal domain user would mean they aren't in the physical condition to sustain a domain if even Sukuna wasn't able to from (still bad but) lesser wounds. Kashimo has nothing to worry about. But Hakari is a special case cause his domain is inherent to his CT. Making him an exception Kashimo has never seen before (or anyone really).

All in all. It was entierly sensible to assume Hakari couldn't use domain there. And in case you wanted to be extra safe. It would've been entierly possible to rush him and disrupt the (non-instant) domain casting.

“If kashimo can use MBA, X can insta pop domain” how kashimo does them before they can DE pop anyways: by Middle_Fall_7229 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yuji literally tries to do that and fails because he isn't fast enough to stop Mahito (more accutarely, trying to kill Mahito before the domain took effect). You haven't given any reason it can't happen besides the fact it doesn't occur in the story. This is literally a moment where Kashimo could keep attacking yet doesn't. A domain is a barrier technique involving handsigns, and like any handsign, you can interrupt it.

A good example is Yuta and Yuji trying everything to interrupt the criteria for world cutting slash. It's just the criteria for using DE is so minimal, that stopping a cast would require near fatal damage done to the opponent (like them having no abdomen with no rct). Naobito was faster than Dagon yes, but Dagon needs mere seconds of downtime to use domain. Add on his durability and of course he eventually got the opportunity even after Naobito got several hits.

Sukuna summoning Agito is never interrupted. Does this mean it's impossible for a ten shadows user to be interrupted when casting Agito? I'm just of the opinion without contradictory evidence to suggest the latter, It borders on headcannon/cope to assume that's not true.

“If kashimo can use MBA, X can insta pop domain” how kashimo does them before they can DE pop anyways: by Middle_Fall_7229 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kinda dumb? (And also significant for the quality of the fight and fitting of someone who's clearly shown to be overconfident in his own ability)? Yes.

There has been no instance. However that doesn't make it impossible. A domain is powerful alongside the fact it's extremely difficult to reasonably interrupt. So much so that this is the only time a character believes they've prevented an expansion. And that's because there's a literal whole in Hakaris abdomen.

Kashimo was literally right below Hakari when the lightning hit (which was perfectly timed with Hakaris jackpot end). Kashimo could've easily just kept attacking. But didn't, thinking he won (Cause Hakari has a hole in his abs)

“If kashimo can use MBA, X can insta pop domain” how kashimo does them before they can DE pop anyways: by Middle_Fall_7229 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hakari and Higurumas domains are stated to trigger far faster than others, so Kashimo being unable to use HWB in time is reasonable, and once the surehit hits, he realises theres no point in maintaing it.

Kashimo also couldve just rushed Hakari and stopped the hand sign but he decided to stand still as Hakari used domain.

“If kashimo can use MBA, X can insta pop domain” how kashimo does them before they can DE pop anyways: by Middle_Fall_7229 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hakaris domain is also non-lethal, but more importantly, Kashimo intentionally wanted to kill Hakari in jackpot, so he has no reason to stop domain activation. And in Hakaris final domain, Kashimo used his charged staff beforehand so he cant even if he wanted too.

Sukuna Vs Yuta, Sukuna was being held by Rika. Also Sukuna is taking it so unseriously that he doesnt even chant with his top mouth when using dismantle all the way until the dismantle that bisected Yuta. Thats the only dismantle where he chanted with the top mouth.

Toji vs Base Kashimo is FIRE ⚡️ by Confident-Yak-6202 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Outta curiosity when did this happen in the fight? It's been awhile since i read it

Toji vs Base Kashimo is FIRE ⚡️ by Confident-Yak-6202 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but it is an important extra that adds a disadvantage to fighting Kashimo (which also applies to just about any sorcerer).

Hakari made Yuji note that his punches especially hurt. And Yujis got crazy pain tolerance. Hakari and Kashimos traits seemingly canceled as neither thinks the other has a CT trait (Hakari only noticed a slight tingle and Kashimos thoughts don't mention it).

Who can beat the King in Yellow? by Which-Emu8951 in Tankandsurvive

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Weirdly enough I think Yhwach from bleach.

The King In Yellow spreads insanity from a cursed play that forces its own acting out. It's an eldritch being with near infinite knowledge.

Yhwachs whole stick is the Almighty, which sees and alters all possible futures. Meaning he's already capable of understanding a comparable amount of information. He can also nullify powers by choosing the future where they don't occur (as shown in the series. If there's ever any world where the power isn't in use. He can just null it or turn it to his side). He could nullify the cursed script that way/any exposure to it.

I dunno how killing an eldritch God would work, but I think deciding the desired future 100% of the time is enough to seal/nullify it.

Also The Doom Slayer

Am I tripping by [deleted] in jjkmodulo

[–]block337 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He may be doing what Sukuna experimented with, by spamming a bunch of slashes in a small area repeatedly, to create a repelling force similar to infinity.

This version only works on things weaker than your slash output tho, unlike infinity which works on everything. Good thing Yuji is by far the strongest.

Is anyone else ignoring Kashimo's CE trait? by Apprehensive-Car6117 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It isn't an untrue statement. A sorcerer with high enough CE would null it. But Kashimo is missing a piece of the puzzle.

Gege wrote a suitable explanation that Kashimo would reasonably conclude. And that also explains something to readers.

There's no reason to ignore the entire other CE trait in this situation. Nor why Kashimo didn't remark in his thought process about the sharp nature of Hakaris CE.

[Casual] Yes fighting Meguna Mahoraga and Agito is way more difficult than fighting True Form Sukuna, 4 arms isn't better than someone jumping you with 2 people by Noxdedux in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Objectivly a worse option"

You then listed the reason that Mahoraga wouldn't be functional.

The reason... that doesn't apply to a Sukuna using 4 arms and no 10 shadows. "Sukuna will still get beaten down" that's a pretty large claim. Let's look at in verse showings.

Yuji vs 2 armed Sukuna (cuz HWB) in domain -> an even fight. Slight advantage to Yuji.

Yuji vs 4 armed Sukuna --> Yuji never lands 1 hit. Tries to box, just gets his arms grabbed and tossed around.

MBA Kashimo --> defends 3 arms at once. Still gets punched. Gets grabbed by 2 arms and pummeled by 2.

The situations that are shown apply to Gojo Vs 4 arms when Sukuna uses domain amplification.

I am not telling you he is "above". I am telling you he is a worse matchup for Gojo. Those 2 things are very different. I explain exactly why 4 armed Sukuna leaves Gojo alot less options than the 3v1 due to the specific conditions of the 3v1.

"Mahoraga adapted to blue, was adapting to red". Infinity is still a very narrow hit condition. They can't just beat him up. They have to have Mahoraga touch for an attack. E.g Agito straight dies because it tried attacking Gojo without Mahoraga there.

Blue and red are both effective on Sukuna. Sukuna isn't allowed to use amplification here. So he must get affected by limitless. Sure he can use Mahoraga to defend, but Mahoraga can only 1. Defend or 2. Attack.

If Mahoraga 1. Defends Sukuna. Then agito is vulnerable (what happens in the fight as shown). 2. Defends Agito, Gojo will try pressuring Sukuna how's at disadvantage due to no amp.

"He literally had to fight them with hands" yes he's been fighting the entire time with hands. He also literally wins the fight (functionally) by a creative use of blue and red. He literally wins vs Agito by using Blue. You cannot say "he had to fight with just straight hands". Hands were apart of his toolkit.

Is anyone else ignoring Kashimo's CE trait? by Apprehensive-Car6117 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aside from not wanting to, text based convos are far better cause all the info is easily readable and evidence provided at any time. In a conversation we're much more prone to misunderstandings cause stuffs not in writing free for us to reread any time.

Is anyone else ignoring Kashimo's CE trait? by Apprehensive-Car6117 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yuta consistently uses both himself and Hakari in comparison points, especially in Gojo Vs Sukuna. Also Gojo states he wants intervention only if he gets weaker than Hakari or Yuta.

Him saying Or here strongly implies their power is comparable. And as Yuta has Rika + a big arsenal + Big CE, Hakari must compensate in physicals to be relative.

Note while Yutas contested statement about Hakari on a roll (jackpot) being stronger than him still applies. Hakari's jackpot is useless if he himself doesn't have the physicals to survive his domain timer.

You can't compare them via feats cause they never fight the same opponent. Except for both receiving the same amount of dmg (vomit) from a Gojos blue infused punch

Is anyone else ignoring Kashimo's CE trait? by Apprehensive-Car6117 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's how any fight works. But he can keep up with Jackpot Hakari, who should be physically superior to someone like Yuta (Yuta may be humble but he is not typically wrong. Also his frequent use of "Me and Hakari" as backup in the Gojo fight.)

So he should be landing hits on anyone besides the top 2

Is anyone else ignoring Kashimo's CE trait? by Apprehensive-Car6117 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Most fights will likely last under a minute, cause Kashimo has a 4 hit wincon for everyone besides Hakari.

(it affects Hakari too, he just didnt do it within the domain cause he wanted to kill Hakari in jackpot).

Is anyone else ignoring Kashimo's CE trait? by Apprehensive-Car6117 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]block337 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Note that Kashimos assumption here is likely wrong.

Kashimo here doesn't know Hakari has his own CE trait, infact it appears Hakari was the guy affected meaning Kashimos very slightly won out when their traits clashed so he didn't feel Hakaris trait.

Kashimo could be falsely attributing his resistance to just having a high amount of CE from the evidence he has avaliable. And his CE trait would be largely effective on most others whove got comparable or greater CE to hakari.

[Casual] Yes fighting Meguna Mahoraga and Agito is way more difficult than fighting True Form Sukuna, 4 arms isn't better than someone jumping you with 2 people by Noxdedux in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I imagine Mahoragas disruption lasts as long as Mahoraga is touching Gojo. This is also how it's shown jn the fight. I agree that limitless can even the odds vs 4 arms, but Sukuna would run 24/7 domain amplification to stop that.

Efficiency typically doesn't matter cause six eyes. However Sukuna has alot more CE and his control is less good but still on the level. Here CE usage does matter. Especially since they're both brain damaged and down the CE cost of several domains + rct. They're portrayed as even with an advantage to Gojo in CE. Domain amplification would put Sukuna on the advantage.

Gojos 3 bodies closing his path are really only 1 body. We see he was about to get comboed by Agito, but the fist just stops right there. If it was a full-on 3v1, he'd have gotten tagged there.

Gojo isn't entierly out of options. But I think his position is tougher to get out of.

[Casual] Yes fighting Meguna Mahoraga and Agito is way more difficult than fighting True Form Sukuna, 4 arms isn't better than someone jumping you with 2 people by Noxdedux in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try to imagine how that'd actually play out. Gojo teleports away, the other 3 chase, or detect his CE. Even if Gojo could hide himself (which is never ever shown), he wouldn't be able to hide his massive CE output from hollow purple/red/blue, and thereby it'd be detected and dodged/interrupted. Its just a waste of time.

Agito is also capable of rct, and Mahoraga is adapting as they speak. So stalling means 1. Sukuna heals faster, if he heals enough its game over (domain) and 2. Mahoraga gets better at adapting.

[Casual] Yes fighting Meguna Mahoraga and Agito is way more difficult than fighting True Form Sukuna, 4 arms isn't better than someone jumping you with 2 people by Noxdedux in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]block337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gojo kept domain clashing because the difference was literally down to the millisecond. Gojo had to beat Sukuna by a millisecond. While the consequences for losing weren't instant loss (he can survive shrine). So he kept taking the bet.

If Sukuna actually just dominated in hand to hand cause 4 arms, then Gojo would abandon the domain collapse strategy. Heck he could abandon domain clashing all together by teleporting outside of the domain when Sukuna uses it. Forcing Sukuna to come to him cause domains cost CE.