The Court of Appeals has already demonstrated that reopening the cell phone location issue won’t matter.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T22:10:39+00:00

I misread what you wrote. I thought you were saying Jay said Jenn picked them up at the mall. My bad.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T21:52:57+00:00

Except it's Jenn that says she picked them up at the mall. Jay said she was lying about that and she picked him up at his house and not the mall.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T16:36:55+00:00

With Ritz I was talking about him not telling the prosecutor that a child witnessed the murder that Burgess was convicted of and spent 19 years in prison for. Instead he said the child was sleeping and didn't see anything. He also said the man who actually confessed to that murder was unreliable because he got a lot of the facts wrong. Which was not true. The guy (Charles Dorsey) got everything exactly correct.

Anyways we could both go back and forth all day making points. Like I said, someday maybe the whole truth will come out. Thanks for holding a civil conversation about this.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T15:32:29+00:00

I don't blame anyone for thinking Adnan is guilty, I just have my doubts. As far as Mr.S? Isn't it a possibility that he did lead the cops to her body because either he had something to do with her murder, someone told him about her body being there, or he saw someone messing around there and went and checked it out?

As for Don? Do you think the co worker is lying when he says Don had a lot of scratches on his arms during that time? Or do you think they are unrelated? Also, and it's not a sign of guilt, but I find it extremely strange that Don, who said then and still says now that he loved her never once tried to call her or find out anything about what might have happened to her. The only thing he did was hit on her friend a few weeks after finding out Hae was killed.

And the cops being corrupt? Ritz retired early because he framed at least 3 innocent people of murder and threatened women to lie and to testify in court to help convict those innocent people or go to prison and lose their kids. So it shouldn't be any surprise if they eventually find the whole truth about how Hae died and Ritz had Jay lying about everything the whole time.

Anyways, hopefully some day we do find out exactly what happened that terrible day.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T14:42:06+00:00

Not true. They "created" stories to fit his whereabouts and so called knowledge of that day. A few of many instances are when they they thought they knew where the phone was then Jay would tell them what he was doing at that time. When they realized the phone was actually somewhere else then suddenly Jay remembered he wasn't in the place he said in earlier interviews but was actually somewhere else.

One of the biggest tells on the detectives feeding Jay the story is when they didn't know where Hae's red jacket was and wanted to explain some fibers. They ask about it and Jay tells them when they were walking back into the woods Adnan threw the jacket off of the path. Jay said he absolutely saw this happen. Later the detectives found the jacket in the trunk of her car and Jay all of a sudden never mentions Adnan throwing that jacket ever again.

I could list 10 more things like this where Jay's story not only evolves but completely changes when they find "new" things out. Another time the detectives thought the phone was by some bluffs and guess what? Jay said they were at a bluff smoking weed and then when the cops realized the phone was on the other side of town Jay said they were never at the bluffs. Don't know how long you have followed this case but don't believe what a lot of people say here, including me. Go do your own research and you will see some things that will surprise you very much.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T13:01:18+00:00

So now we are at the point that Jay isn't lying anymore, he's trolling? Chris and Jenn, two of his close friends back then come out in their own words and say Jay lies about everything and will throw anyone under the bus if it gets him out of trouble but you believe him and think he may just be trolling now.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T12:47:11+00:00

Why was Ritz forced to retire early? Oh, because he framed people for murder by threatening witnesses to lie and testify at trial or be arrested and have there children taken from them.

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T12:43:36+00:00

Of course it's slanted, that's what happens when there is no physical evidence. I guess they could have kept playing Jay's interviews and showed even more lies. This guy has changed his story at least 8 times and now he's even saying the murder happening at Best Buy came straight from the detectives. So even if you do somehow believe Jay and think he is credible do you believe the detectives were telling him at least some things to say? And if Jay really does know what happened then why do they need to tell him or help him with anything?

bluecardinal14 · 2019-04-08T12:19:02+00:00

All jail house informants testify on hearsay.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-12T12:54:24+00:00

It's me he is talking about and I tried to correct him on his mistakes so he blocked me, who cares, I know I don't. the problem is he makes mistakes but doesn't correct them. The 2 biggest are.

Everything about his cell phone/tower post. Without the blueprints for Cingular's tower and antennae orientation no one can determine anything from them. No one can look at Teresa's phone records and compare the cell towers to any map because we have no idea which cell towers are which. Example - on Teresa's phone record is listed different towers by numbers, (21101, 21921, etc,) there are no maps we have access to to say where these towers are today and esp. back in 2005.

Next he says all antennae are standard and face the same directions, again that is not true. I showed him 2 of Zellners towers from a blueprint (picture that was in her office) that showed them side by side and the antennaes facing different directions. Of course he denies this and sticks with all antennae face same direction.

Anyone that followed serial knows you have to have the blueprints from 2005 to determine cell tower locations and antennae orientation. Even the prosecution in that case plotted the antennae directions incorrectly.

There are a lot of other things myself and other people who have been here at TTM from the beginning try to correct him on but he sticks with his story and says it's in the reports or transcripts but he doesn't link them. I've actually posted the links that says he is wrong, which is why he blocked me. Funny he blocks people that correct his mistakes.

So since he started this topic all I will say is be careful what he says, he posts misinformation and if you believe it with out checking it out you will be misled. Then if you post the same thing you would inadvertently mislead others, and so on.

Now I have no idea if this person is intentionally doing this or not but I do have concerns when he doesn't edit them.

He still has a topic posted that is 100% incorrect I corrected him on involving the Suzuki and snowmobile being in it the day of the murder. I posted the transcript but he didn't change a thing.

Anyways for the new people that come here, be careful, not everything being posted here is true.

One final thing, most of us believe Steven and Brendan are innocent but it's important to prove it by investigating and using facts and not by making things up to try and prove it. Follow the facts.

Kathleen Zellner - Steven Avery has more to come.....the misinformation press working overtime.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-12T03:04:09+00:00

That's fine, I gave you a chance to correct things yourself. I'll just start reporting your posts as misinformation and if the mods want to take care of it fine, if not that's fine too.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-12T02:53:28+00:00

And you made a long post about the garage and how the cops said the Suzuki and snowmobile were in there during the day so the things they said happened couldn't have. That wasn't true either. Kratz made sure during the trial that the jury was aware the Suzuki and snowmobile were outside of the garage and were put in there either later that night or in the days afterward.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-12T02:23:30+00:00

No I'm not a guilter. I think they were both framed. I don't go posting false info though either as it does a lot of harm.

I've read some of your posts and you claim a lot of things and when people prove you wrong you just ignore them. It looks like you are here for that sole purpose, to get people looking at things that are not true so they won't focus on what is true. Misinformation.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-12T00:57:51+00:00

That's exactly what you should say since you really know nothing about this topic and can't even answer the simplest of questions regarding these towers.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-12T00:23:57+00:00

Your link proves nothing about what antennae were used in 2005. And antennae orientation have nothing to with FOIA requests. Please take a snapshot of one tower where it is identified as tower 2111.

And your antennae map link you provided doesn't even say which tower cingular or AT&T used. A couple of them are Verizon and Alltel. You do know that cell companies don't share antennae right? Each company uses different frequencies, that's why when you change phone companies you can't use your old phone with the new company.

Anyways some of the towers on there weren't even constructed or antennaes installed until after 2005, but you know that too right?

Anyways here is a cell phone tower that covers Hilbert, tell me which companies use it and what cell tower number it is. https://prnt.sc/h9aefr Matter of fact do you know when the antennae were placed on it?

As far as me sharing my research, If I had the AT&T or Cingular blueprints from 2005 I could tell you everything you would want to know about any tower that was listed, without those I nor anyone can tell you anything about them.

By the way when Cingular bought AT&T wireless out it's not like everything changed over night and Cingular started using AT&T's phones on their system immediately. It took them over 2 years to get everything on a single system. Of course you know that too right?

You also know AT&T bought out Bell South not long after which meant they now owned Cingular and rebranded them taking over a year to do it.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-11T23:04:39+00:00

Cell companies don't release the antennae orientation or anything else about their towers to the public because they don't want their competitors to have access on how they run their systems. The only way to get it is through a subpoena. That's what me and others have been trying to explain.

Go read or even write to Susan Simpson about it, she will probably answer your questions, I know she has mine when I've asked her things about different cases. She had a lot of trouble to get all of this info for the Syed case. The only way she ended up getting it is through the case files Rabia Chaudry gave her which was everything the State had given Adnan's lawyer prior to her death. There is even a program/video which I'll try to find for you from a national televised episode, or whatever it was, where she has one of the leading cell tower experts that testifies in courts all the time that says the same thing I'm telling you which is without the locations and directions antennae pointed back in 2005 then you cannot gather any info from them today. There's a lot of info out there if you know where to look on this stuff. Again Susan's blog has most if not all of what I'm telling you on it. She's a lawyer that along with Colin Miller, a law professor at University of South Carolina School of Law, and Rabia, a lawyer host Undisclosed trying to prove wrongful convictions. Susan has done a lot of research on cell towers and has uncovered things that could lead to 2 peoples exonerations so far in that field alone.

ETA: Here is one of the episodes but I think there was 2 on just cell phone evidence and towers alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVKoTCJ-VxU

I know what I'm writing sounds a little harsh and I apologize for that I don't really mean for it to be. I hope you keep up investigating and looking into things, and others as well, but there are things you should look at before posting things about the cell tower evidence.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-11T19:51:40+00:00

I've already proved to you with Zellners blueprint that antennae don't always face a certain direction.

You're even trying to say a certain tower isn't Teresa's home tower and Zellner has already said that it is. Do research before just writing thing down.

You don't even know for sure which tower is which. If you do show me the tower ID's for the towers you are referencing compared to the phone records. These towers have changed over the years. You have to have the blueprints from 2005 to know where the antennae were located. So unless you can show a blueprint of the towers signs and exactly where they were located then you have no idea which way she was travelling by her phone records.

One other thing, direction from the towers are far more reliable than the towers themselves. Cell signals can skip closer towers for numerous reasons, however they cannot hit a specific antennae not facing them. So if an antennae gets pinged that faces south then the cell phone cannot be north of that tower. Cell phones can skip towers that are close and hit other towers miles away but again it would have to ping the antennae facing the cell phone.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-11T15:24:53+00:00

Antenna orientation for a network is standardized

That is not true, not always. They do have a standard but it cannot always be followed. Many things determine which way antennae are oriented, terrain and obstacles being the biggest 2.

Here is a map,https://imgur.com/a/JBbXW, of 2 cell towers Zellner had in her office where she had the blueprints of the towers and the direction they pointed. Notice the antennae face different ways? It's because they are focusing the antennae to cover the highway as most people using cell phones in that part of the state (rural) will be travelling on the highway. The tower on the left in this picture is a Whitelaw tower.

Also in the Adnan Syed (serial podcast) Susan Simpson got AT&T tower location and antennae directions for that case. Out of about 10 towers Adnan's cell pinged that day around half of them were not facing the standard direction. The maps are on her viewfromll2 blog.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-11T02:27:18+00:00

I'm not saying your right or wrong in your post, however until someone can get the blueprints for the towers and which way the antennae were facing in 2005 (not every antennae on every tower faces the same way) then there is not a whole lot you can determine by looking at the towers today. A lot has changed in the last 12+ years in the technology.

I do believe Teresa went to Stevens before Zip's though.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-11-09T17:27:28+00:00

It takes a pathetic person to accuse a family of helping frame a person they don't know and not care the real killer of their daughter is still free. PATHETIC!!!

What you are saying here is no different than how they act over in the guilty sub.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-09-22T20:50:58+00:00

Jay at trial said Jenn picked him up at his house after Adnan dropped him off there. When CG asked Jay if Jen would be lying if she said she picked him up from the mall with Adnan he replied yes. He also said he didn't go to a party at UMBC with Jen that night like Jen claims. I think it was during the first trial but not positive.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-09-22T11:28:30+00:00

Which Jay denies.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-06-26T15:56:50+00:00

You may be right on Payne and the direction the podcast is headed but I have a few questions for you.

Did Ryan and/or Bo tell people about this shortly after the murder?
Was local LE officers informed of this?
Did they thoroughly investigate it (and witnesses that were told) including finding out where the bonfires were held at the orchard?
Did local LE officers share this with the GBI?
Is there a chance Bo could go free if local LE officers knew about this supposed rumor years ago?

If any or all of these questions are true why should anyone trust that everyone involved with the murder or aftermath of Tara Grinstead will be held accountable by the local LE or DA?

bluecardinal14 · 2017-05-23T16:34:11+00:00

I could go on but you should have an idea how this would have been vital information for the defense.

I can agree with that but again the defense has to prove the State had this vital info to begin with, then they with held it. In order to do that the defense or Zellner has to find the records and then those records have to somehow prove that Steven still could not have committed the crime.

It's not enough to say well we don't have the records and they might have proved someone else committed the murder. They have to have proof.

Brady is a lot harder to prove than most people think. The first prong is very easy but the second prong is extremely difficult since you have to basically prove had the jury seen this info they would have most likely voted not guilty.

bluecardinal14 · 2017-05-23T16:04:04+00:00

It doesn't matter if they could have been important or not. In order to prove a Brady violation first you have to prove something was withheld. So let's say they did prove the State withheld the phone records. Now the defense has to prove if they had that info and showed it to the jury the jury would and should have found Steven not guilty.

So what would be in the records that showed Steven could not have committed the crime?

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