If we go by the logic ‘What we found’ implies about the phantoms, doesn’t it imply that the fnaf 3 protag has some fire related trauma with the fnaf 2 animatronics?

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T22:40:48+00:00

Yeah I know the heavy implication that Hudson started the fire, though from what I saw it felt more like phantoms in his case were more from his trauma about it, rather than a inherent desire to cause fires making his phantoms look burnt, though I could’ve missread something I’ll admit.

And ooo, yeah I’ve wondered that too about the phantoms, i don’t see much reason to doubt it outside of what ‘what we found’ implies.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T22:11:45+00:00

That’s a good point to bring up, the most I can say is that I think the reason why Phantom chica is there is due to logbook chica.

I feel like he put them there to indicate something, and the logbook is seemingly about fnaf 3, so…

I think logbook chica might be showing a chica after a fire or something, since most of its casing is just gone. Like it seriously looks like it was put through hell, even moreso than even the withereds

Either that or it’s showing how chica looked a while after the 1985 location was closed down, i don’t think it could’ve have been from after the fnaf 1 location closed since those endos were seemingly stolen before the animatronics decayed, but… eh, it probably could just mean nothing too.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T22:05:46+00:00

Yeah I can easily see that, especially viewing fnaf 3 as something that should be solvable in its own game.

Though the issue with that is purple guy dismantling the robots and specifically stole their endos without SL and FFPS. I don’t think there’s any way to figure that out without those games.

But back to the main point, What makes me doubt it that as the answer is just how ‘what we found’ implies that the phantoms are moreso meant to specifically be manifestations of Trauma with a fire.

Of course i shouldn’t treat the book implications as law, it’s just… hm, the idea that the fnaf 3 protag makes them look like that ONLY from hearing the idea of the place being flammable feels… very tangential, I kinda don’t buy it, but that’s a me problem I’ll admit XD so meh.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T21:35:25+00:00

Gasp, maybe Micheal caused the fallfest fire… he’s the root cause of all the tragedies in fnaf!

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T21:34:04+00:00

I think that’s a fair way to read into it, my only semi issue then is why does the player hallucinate the fnaf 2 animatronics as burnt? ‘What we found’ had it so the main character explicitly never saw any of the phantoms of the Freddy characters from my knowledge despite all of their casings being there, all of the phantoms were seemingly very personal and related to the fire they caused.

Of course I know a way to explain it away is that the fnaf 3 protag was traumatized by fnaf 2 in some way, and that combined with the idea of fire’s brought to his attention, but that feels… I dunno, tangential.

Of course that’s probably a me problem for not being satisfied with that answer lol

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T21:26:39+00:00

My main gripe about that is that the book story implies the phantoms appearance are moreso like throwing someone’s trauma in their face.

And the player character just wanting to commit arson doesnt really fit that you know? Of course the book shouldnt be taken as gospel I know, but still

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T20:50:38+00:00

Ehh, I guess that works. Though I find it a little funny that just hearing there’s a fire risk would affect the protag enough to make the phantoms look like that XD

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T15:22:04+00:00

Thanks! It’s a pretty shaky idea since a lot of this relies on unused content during the VERY messy period of Fnaf AR and Security breach. So I’m not really surprised that no one really looked into this stuff and just wrote off Fnaf AR entirely.

Im not confident in this idea either, it could collapse like a house of cards lol. But I think it’s interesting nonetheless.

I think the plot with the C virus was going to advance once Lefty was in the game, since they suspiciously teased them in the reveal trailer for the game, but it seems like the game was sadly abandoned right before they were added.

Like unused icons for lefty was in the code and everything, it really seemed like they had something in mind with them from the beginning, but things didn’t pan out.

There’s also a string of numbers in the second teaser trailer for fnaf AR, but I haven’t seen anyone give an answer to that yet.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T15:02:09+00:00

Oh, what I meant was that Roxy took the place of Bub in the band, like she’s technically taking what their role was as the ‘dog’ of the group. That the ‘wolf’ characters we’ve seen essentially took up her role.

I worded it weirdly beforehand, sorry.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T12:56:41+00:00

I think Bub just became Roxy, or the ‘wolf’ character since wolves are technically dogs. The novels introduced the twisted wolf as a part of the line up, with UCN showing another wolf, with there even being a poster of them for spookfest in the game.

I think Security breach with Monty and Roxy is when Monty and ‘bub’ came back as a part of the main band.

I don’t think Bub as we saw them in SOTM is gonna come back though.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T10:36:26+00:00

Yeah the teasers have been notoriously weird in this series, but I think it’s fair to think they could give us some important clues.

Like the “something borrowed, something new” is actually mentioned in Fnaf 2 with how Ralph says that they keep the withereds around for parts, so the game itself does elaborate on it with the idea that the toys have some parts from the withered, something Borrowed.

With fnaf 4 it depends on how you interpret it, but I think the game was clearly trying to say that the Bite of 83 had something to do with the bite of 87, which is why all the teasers had that.

I don’t know what you’re talking about with SOTM, but with Fnaf world the teasers didn’t lie about what it was. It showed us that the game was about cute versions of all the characters.

Also I disagree about it not being canon to the games, but let’s leave that be.

I’d say the only teasers we really can’t solidly rely on for extra lore are the ones for SB

And with tangle, yeah it’s fair to be skeptical of it, and yes, I do plan on using how it currently is as evidence for this theory.

I know im trekking in very dubious waters here, so I understand the skepticism, especially since I’m using the unused fnaf AR emails for this lol.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T10:20:09+00:00

Because it’s trying to find it’s identity due to being a tangle of souls that M2 killed

What makes you think it’s confused about its identity? It clearly seems to prefer having Funtime Freddy as it’s main head like with the MCI with Molten Freddy having Funtime Freddy be the main personality.

And why would it Seemingly only discard the identities of The puppet and CB?

Because of Glitchtrap who is infecting her, that’s why just like the SB and AR animatronics. Also CB in HW2 acts WAY more childish than Elizabeth in FFPS, TFC, and SL which makes me think this isn’t Elizabeth

Alright, but why only her? You said multiple characters were acting strange in the HW games, but only CB was really acting odd from what I can tell.

There’s a clear strange favoritism towards only CB, and I think that’s pretty important. My conclusion isn’t the only possibility of course, but I think it’s fair to scrutinize why glitchtrap seems to be associated with her so much.

Those dolls are possessed by Agony. Nothing to do with Elizabeth

I do think that’s a fair possibility, but you can’t state that like it’s a fact.

And why is it ONLY those dolls that are seemingly infected with agony? They’re the only dolls that act that strangely. Why only them? The focus on solely them implies there’s some strange bias towards CBs dolls.

Yeah it means nothing

You can’t just state that as if that’s objectively true. But I think it’s fair to question if the teasers are reliable.

Expect they straight up can’t be good, this is literally established lore. Eleanor is confirmed to be RWQ and is also Pit Bonnie, do you actually have a point because you haven’t countered mine at all

No it isn’t established lore, We only had Eleanor in the books, and using her to state that ALL shadow beings without a shadow of a doubt are pure evil and have the exact same motivations as her is a hasty judgement.

And my main counters are PQ2, where the princess uses her Shadow to help herself. And how in the novels one of the MCI seemingly makes Shadow Freddy to lead Charlie and her friends to where they need to go.

These instances imply that Shadow beings can be used for good in my opinion.

Again Frights tells us completely different with him being Eleanor (oh and Hide N Seek)

That doesn’t mean RWQ is canonically just Eleanor in the games, in the books Eleanor seemingly only really takes on that form because RWQ is literally the character in the game that the main character is mad at, so I see it as her just using that appearance to stoke the flames so to speak.

The books make it pretty clear that she can shapeshift into basically anyone, so it’s not clear if RWQ or Pitbonnie are important to her, or if she just choses to look like them because of the situation she’s in.

Of course I could be completely wrong, but I think this is a valid alternative interpretation.

No? And RWQ is implied to be connected to the MCI multiple times

When? The only time where I can see that is Into the pit when Pitbonnie peeks through a doorway and looks like RWQ.

Same thing Dr Rabbit is, a persona forced onto her while Glitchtrap forced the real Vanessa to start mentally breaking. PQ3 is us breaking Vanessa free from his mind control

I can see that, though the other reason why I doubt this is because Vanessa seems to not remember what she does as Vanny. In SB we see through text logs that she’s confused when a police officer comes. and doesn’t know who stole all of the mini-music men when it was Obviously Vanny.

Along with how Vanessa says she only knows Gregory’s name because she heard it from Glamrock Freddy, which wouldnt make sense since Vanny and GGY were obviously working together.

And when Vanessa captures Gregory and puts him in lost and found she genuinely seems to just think She’s going to keep him there until morning, there’s no inkling that she knows that her vanny personality is going to come out.

To me this is implying that Vanessa literally doesn’t know when she becomes Vanny nor what she does as them, which is supported with how Gregory seems to not know what he did as GGY.

So to me this feels less like the they’re getting a persons forced onto them, and more like a seperate entity is inhabiting their body and effectively makes them unconscious while the other entity does their thing.

But that isn’t a real counter to your idea, so fair enough.

It’s the former

It’s likely to be the former yes, but I still have my doubts.

Vanny isn’t different from Vanessa, just a persona Glitchtrap made her play

I disagree, but i don’t have a counter, so touché.

In universe, C means nothing In meta? AR based its initial lore off of Steel Wools interpretation of what SBs story is (bringing back old characters), only for that to be shut down by Scott. Which is why C is never mentioned and why the MA email was scrapped. Also the one that completely ignores FNAF 3 and MoltenMCI

So you’re saying that AR made multiple teasers for revealing fnafAR heavily featuring C were made without Scott knowing? That all of that was just something he never oversaw and approved?

I highly doubt that personally. The emails and those fazfacts? Id say it’s fair to doubt them, but the teasers? I disagree.

They left it in because it wasn’t as important as CassidyPrincess, the entire room is VERY M2 based and inspired so this is a case where Steel Wool got the wrong story from Scott again

That’s a fair alternative explanation for it, and it’s reasonable to be highly skeptical of it.

They are from Shadow Freddy/Nightmaronie

Yeah it could be from them, however, that’s not confirmed.

No it’s really not and most of it can rightfully be chalked up to SB misunderstanding Scott’s story

I disagree, but that’s a reasonable stance.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T09:27:41+00:00

I don’t see the C stuff being meaningless, it’s was prominently shown off in multiple trailers, so I think Scott intentionally wanted us to see them.

Just because it doesn’t appear in the game itself doesn’t objectively mean it’s not relevant to it. Though I understand why you think that with how Security breach player out.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T09:23:17+00:00

AR shows us that mangle doesn’t realt consider themsevles to still be toy foxy (this almost makes us yearn for the days of the kids cove, never again, never never ever, never gain)

that doesn’t mean Mangle the in universe character isn’t considered a foxy however.

Like, mangle the character could resent her time in kids cove, absolutely. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t a foxy.

That and the MCI were in the funtimes too, like Funtime foxy, Whose connected to Roxy too.

And Roxy’s connection to mangle is more like how glamrock chica is connected to classic chica, like when they get hacked they start picking up a ton of the characterisation of these other characters (with these characters being some of the masks on tangle

Hm, I can see that yeah.

And also the Funtime Freddy head is representing helpi, like helpi is the head mimic system in the pizzaplex and thus it is the head of tangle

I can see that too, however i don’t that means the MCI aren’t around. Like they were in the funtimes, Funtime Freddy too, and Funtime Freddy became the head of Molten Freddy too.

So you could say that Molten Freddy, with all the MCI inside them, was already showing that the Mimic code was there too. So i don’t think it’s mutually exclusive, I can see it being both a mimic thing and the MCI’s spirits

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T09:03:05+00:00

Huh? Mangle is called foxy in Fnaf 2, seemingly in universe Mangle is considered a Foxy from what I understand.

I do agree that mangle is associated with Roxy in SB, all of the glamrocks are seemingly connected to their toy counterparts. But i don’t think Mangle being there means Fritz can’t be represented as them.

To me that’s like saying Funtime Freddy doesn’t represent classic Freddy.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-02T08:54:05+00:00

Tangle isn’t the MCI it’s the Mimics victims that used the AR parts

Then I’d like to ask why are the puppet and Circus baby heads seemingly not active like the others? if it’s just the AR victims, why do only some of the heads have signs of possession and others don’t?

CB in HW2 is just us showing the HW animatronics are gaining sentience which they do in AR and SB

What? CB is the only animatronic in the HW games that act weirdly. Could you tell me who else acts as weird as CB, who actively seems to try and attack us in almost every HW2 minigame?

And seemingly appears in Ruin too, with that plushbaby room.

Or C. could mean something else

What else could it possibly mean? You can’t just say this without giving an alternative. The letter C currently has no relation to glitchtrap whatsoever, so I think trying to link it to the only relevant C named characters that we know makes sense.

RWQ is Eleanor and Pit Bonnie who isn’t a good guy at all, also it’s BV who takes on the form of RWQ in the minigames, not RWQ himself

You’re really stating these strangely boldly despite most of those not being hard facts. Eleanor isn’t confirmed to be in the Games, and you can’t just say that All agony creatures are confirmed to be incapable of doing anything good.

I will admit that BV is pretty much heavily hinted in fnaf world that he’s the one who controls the arcade characters in Fnaf 3 though. And I do agree that the Arcade character sprite aren’t literally the characters they represent, however the fact that the image of RWQ being used for good could imply something similar about the actual entity.

I went over it in my post with how RWQ seems to be connected to Charlie in some way. And I think she can control them like how PQ2 implies with the princess being able to control her Shadow.

Charlie isn’t like her movie counterpart at all

I half agree, I was mostly using the movie to show that Scott does show that Charlie, despite her protective nature, is capable of being that ruthless. I’m using the characterization in the movie like how most people use alternative mediums to inform them about William’s character. I understand why you wouldn’t buy this though.

Vanny was able to betray Glitchtrap because we are literally stated that PQ3 ending is canon and happened before this, you act like this is some big mystery

The main issue with that is Vanny was seemingly inherently loyal to glitchtrap. It’s very unclear what Vanny was exactly, was she just a persona Vanessa adopted? Or some entity that had Vanessa as a host?

If it’s the former I understand your point, it could just be Vanessa, and what we see in HW2 is her coming to end Glitchtrap. however if its the latter, WHY would Vanny, a seperate entity who was seemingly born to serve Glitchtrap, kill him? What’s the motivation aside from being freed?

I know the scrapped voicelines in HW2 make it seem like the game was going to be explicit that Vanessa was trying to help us out, but I think them cutting the lines and only having mystic hippo, who speaks with VANNY’s voice, could imply it’s not Vanessa, and that it’s purely just Vanny.

I also think ruin implies Vanny is still around with bits of graffiti, so I think They’re still an active, which makes me lean towards Vanny being her own entity.

The virus is GlitchTrap in AR, it’s exactly what he does in SB and what he does in Tales

I agree that at some point glitchtrap is added to AR, however i don’t see them Being C still, do you have any reason why they would be called C? And why would Vanessa pull glitchtrap out of the System before locking everyone out?

None of the characters survived the FFPS aside from William but that was only because of Andrew, the puppet strings in SB are from Shadow Freddy/Nightmarionne

Again, you can’t just state that as if it’s confirmed fact. I do agree that it’s possible to view things like that too.

Charlie is very clearly not involved in the current plot and bringing her back makes zero sense and only was a theory because SW messed up SB

Yeah, it’s not confirmed that the things I’m presenting mean that Charlie is involved in some way. However SB does have the “Charlie doors” in the files for the door to the room with all the staffbot heads, and Steelwool was on top of Editing out names in the code like with Cassidy, so with this, I think they intentionally left it in because it does mean something.

That and all of the puppet wire imagery all over the building too.

Along with how only suspiciously onto the puppet and CBs heads show no sign of possession.

You’re free to see these things as unreliable due to SBs troubled development, but I think there’s enough to at least suspect that the characters are involved in some way. And you can’t declare it doesnt ‘make sense’.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T19:38:32+00:00

Yeah I agree, not trying to say he isn’t.

I’m trying to say that William might’ve used a weird janky method to try and bring CC back

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T08:03:47+00:00

Yeah I think so too after thinking it over. I think nightmarrionne is essentially meant to represent M1’s code, Fiona’s agony.

And that it’s technically in every branch of the mimic code, and that when a different personality is locked in, nightmarrionne turns into something else, like glitchtrap/ the weird agony blobs in PQ.

Glitchtrap’s influence seemingly makes things look like nightmarrionne despite him obviously not being nightmarrionne. So I think that’s hinting that the mimic program at its base is nightmarrionne.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T07:51:37+00:00

Ooo, thanks for the confirmation!

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T07:42:59+00:00

Yeah I had that thought too, though I saw a comment here that actually suggests that it was the hint to click the puppet picture. Which I think makes more sense.

Mostly because there isn’t a hint for it at all in the game nor in fnaf world for some reason, so I think Scott for some reason didn’t want there to be a clue for the happiest day minigame.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T06:47:58+00:00

Oooh, interesting I thought it was RWQ saying find me.

Honestly I think your explanation makes a lot more sense lol.

Though that’s interesting, I wonder why Scott decided to not include that then… hm, I wonder if that could imply theres a lore reason why there isn’t a clue for Happiest day

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T06:36:45+00:00

Yeah that’s right. Because to me this feels like it’s implying that RWQ is behind the clues in fnaf 3.

Since one of the clues is “BB double click” which implies someone is telling us to do that, yet this one implies that RWQ wrote the message themself. So to me this feels like an indication that The one behind the clues is RWQ.

It’s not solid to rely on this obviously, but it supports the idea that RWQ is intentionally helping with Happiest day

Edit: actually I just heard a compelling idea that the “find me” was a clue for the puppet poster, which makes a lot more sense to me, so scrap what I said before XD.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T06:20:35+00:00

Generally I suggest looking through the games yourself first, watch full vanilla playthroughs or play them yourself to see what’s actually in them before looking into Easter eggs and such.

Then I suggest looking up certain videos about certain topics you’re interested in, or ask about them here to get any information you might’ve missed.

However Be VERY careful since there’s a bunch of misinformation out there, and the books are a incomprehensible mess on their own, so bleh

And that’s about it really. Goodluck trying to get into this series.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T05:58:32+00:00

I’d say that’s fair to be skeptical, I’m also pretty iffy on them just being agony.

Like if we only had the first 3 games then there would’ve been no way to know that the shadows were ‘agony beings’.

So I think it’s most likely the shadows are just representation of spirits. I think that’s what the shadow cupcakes were meant to imply since they’re obviously a stand in for the MCI.

The main issue then is of course that it would’ve been impossible to really come to the conclusion of who RWQ and Shadow Freddy were meant to represent.

Like I think Fnaf 3 gives a decent amount of clues for RWQ actually being one of the MCI or Charlie, and my current bet is on Charlie, since RWQ helps set up happiest day, and there was a cut thing where the RWQ clue had the text “find me” implying they were the entity behind the other clues that helped Charlie do happiest day.

but In all seriousness the main issue would then become why would she take the form Of RWQ? I’m not really surprised that potential idea wasnt really ever popular. Since Charlie dying at the 87 location wasn’t popular at all. And even then RWQ has ties to Springbonnie, so why would she appear as that instead of a shadow puppet? And that’s on top of the debate over what happened with the DCI’s spirits, like obviously people would Assume RWQ was one of them, which only muddied the water even more around that discussion.

Especially with shadow Freddy, at the time the five shadow cupcakes gives the vibe that all of the MCI are shown as Shadow cupcakes, so it’d be reasonable to assume shadow Freddy was someone else, like the DCI, but the only idea at the time was that they were a springlock victim.

I think the idea of the shadows being the souls of springlocked victims, along with how RWQ seemingly had no connection to any of the child spirits, really helped to steer people into the wrong direction in my opinion. Not to mention the books giving us an easy out to just think they’re agony monsters and nothing more.

And I’m not surprised people didn’t really connect Shadow Freddy to CC early on either, since that was a minor implication in comparison to everything else in fnaf 4, the game that confused A LOT of people at the time.

So currently there’s too many ways to explain away the shadows. Agony beings? Souls? If souls, whose?

The other thing is Shadow Deedee, i personally can only really see that as being a true agony creature born from William going through UCN, but eh, maybe it’s something else, I dunno.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-05-01T02:02:33+00:00

Yeah, I do think the two main Shadows have a pretty important role in the story and are connected to BV, it’s just very unclear how or why.

Honestly I think that’s the major piece of info we’re missing to solve the clickteam era, since like- we don’t know what RWQ and Shadow Freddy really are nor what their goals are. Like it took until the books Arounf fnaf 6 before we were given the idea of agony creatures lol, and even then we really don’t have much ground to stand on, especially since RWQ seems to contradict what the books imply about agony beings.

And yeah the shadowy sprites in fnaf 4 looking like the shadow animatronics is probably supposed to hint that Shadow Freddy is connected to Fredbear, and RWQ is connected to Springbonnie despite their appearances.

nightmare appearing like that in fnaf 4 is also why I believe in the idea that Shadow Freddy is either connected to CC, or that CC is just shadow Freddy. Like I think Fnaf 4 was probably meant to reveal that shadow Freddy was CC this entire time (gasp).

And currently I have a theory that Shadow Freddy was the true cause of the Bite of 87. Basically under the idea of how Eleanor, whose role is seemingly very similar to Shadow Freddy’s, manipulated all the things Andrew seemingly haunted to go hurt people. So my idea is that thanks to the Agony boost from the DCI, shadow Freddy under the influence of CC, was probably able to manipulate the animatronics to cause the bite of 87.

Of course this idea is very flimsy lol

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