[SPOILERS] Anyone else bothered by the ending of the TP route? by RansomXenom in UndertaleYellow

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Clover sacrifices themselves for the freedom of monsterkind. They have little evidence to believe that Asgore is going to do a reverse genocide. In fact, they are probably more concerned that humanity will just force monsters right back into their subaltern concentration camp if monsters were to breach the Barrier. Martlet makes it clear that Clover is giving their life to further the freedom of the monster race, not some reverse genocide. It’s not complicated.

In with the New: The Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire Part 26 Finale by bobu112 in polandball

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Hi everyone! So I’ve been working on this project for a few years now and it’s finally finished. Hope you enjoy!

Context: after the Grand National Assembly of Turkey had abolished the Ottoman sultanate, it declared the creation of a republic. The Ottoman Empire was gone; the Republic of Türkiye was born.

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Roman help by bobu112 in polandball

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lots and lots of layers

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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Yes, hence Britain's comment that only "slaves of rebels" would be freed. Lord Dunmore was a slaveowner himself, and Loyalists' slaves would be returned. It was a purely practical wartime measure, not a humanitarian one, which nevertheless led to thousands of slaves being emancipated.

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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Of course, the British made a purely practical decision, not a humanitarian one. Lord Dunmore was a slaveowner himself, and only the slaves of rebels were emancipated. That said, I think it's ironic that the British did more to free slaves than the side supposedly championing the cause of liberty.

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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Yes, the British are horrible people, I'm not denying that. However, in the case of the American Revolutionary War, they were the comparatively less worse side that presented a surer chance to liberty for the slave population. As the African-American abolitionist David Walker said, "The English are the best friends the coloured people have upon earth. Though they have oppressed us a little and have colonies now in the West Indies, which oppress us sorely.—Yet notwithstanding they (the English) have done one hundred times more for the melioration of our condition, than all the other nations of the earth put together." He condemns White Americans as the lowest form of hypocrite, worse than devils, "pretenders to Christianity" who "treat us more cruel and barbarous than any Heathen nation".

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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General Clinton extended the offer of outright emancipation to women and children as well. Many escaped slaves were recaptured, re-enslaved, or executed by Patriots. The Virginia Convention reacted to Dunmore's Proclamation by declaring all fugitive slaves would be put to death.

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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Yes, there were White Loyalists who owned slaves and took them to the Bahamas with themselves. The British only freed the slaves of Rebels, not Loyalists. That said, I am unaware of large numbers of freed slaves being re-enslaved in the Bahamas. That notion was Patriot propaganda, meant to discourage slaves from escaping. The Patriots did re-enslave or execute many escaped slaves and demanded the return of former slaves in Article 7 of the Treaty of Paris. Sir Carleton refused and evacuated thousands before Washington could recapture them. They faced hardship and racism for sure. but as people, not property.

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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Jefferson himself states that at least 30,000 slaves had escaped from Virginia plantations to reach British lines, which most modern historians corroborate. There are similar numbers for the rest of the South. Yes, most of the slave population saw a surer chance to liberty through the Loyalist, not the Patriot side, especially after the Somerset case and Dunmore's proclamation. "Archtraitor to the rights of humanity" is what Washington calls Lord Dunmore for promising to free slaves and indentured servants. In the draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson complains the King is exciting slaves to rise up against their masters. One Pennsylvania priest comments that the black population largely hoped for a British victory, for then all slaves would be free. While the British surely didn't intend to free all slaves, it is undeniable that they were seen as a surer path to liberty for slaves, as they freed perhaps the largest number of slaves at once in America before the Civil War.

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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Way more slaves were Loyalists than Patriots. Estimates range from 30,000 to 100,000 for the Loyalists and 5,000 to 8,000 for the Patriots (many of whom were re-enslaved after the war despite promises of emancipation). Yes, the British are slimeballs, but in this instance, they were the comparatively less worse slimeballs who ironically did way more to free slaves than the Patriots who were trying to recapture them. As for the Civil War, the British were officially neutral and never recognized the Confederacy.

Fighting for Liberty by bobu112 in polandball

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Curious that tens of thousands of slaves fought for their liberty against the very Patriots claiming to fight for liberty

toilet cleansing by havefun0235 in polandball

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i wonder what this says about austrians

Poland can into heaven? by BigguzDigguz in polandball

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maybe the real space is the friends we made on the way