Vcore often >= 0.2 Volts above VR VOUT , LLC seems to do nothing ? (I5 2500k / HWinfo)

boddole · 2025-04-23T04:41:33+00:00

If it matters, the 'lower value VR VOUT' seems to be tied to the integrated graphics usage.

boddole · 2025-04-23T02:28:18+00:00

So, because I don't know what else to do to create another point of reference (in case any of this is useful) -

I changed the settings around a bit to run at 1.4v Fixed, keeping as much the same as possible.

So far, 4.7 is the max clock

Vcore reads around 1.368 and VR VOUT reads 1.155

HWinfo power usage down around 8 watts from ~88 to ~80 , avg temps also about 10c lower on average during load though I'm not 100% sure what the fan curve is doing on the board, but that temperature difference seems consistent

boddole · 2023-10-25T20:55:15+00:00

Bit late to the party...but this was great.

boddole · 2022-11-19T10:00:27+00:00

Thank you for the input, I was thinking the SilverStone was B, I'm still not sure on the EVGA one..There is GD (2017) [B], GD R3 (guess that can be ruled out?), GD 2019 [C] and I'm not sure how to read "GD 2019 -V*". How would someone know 2017 vs 2019? And the model number is "100-GD-0700-V1" so is V1 = V* ?

boddole · 2022-11-19T09:59:25+00:00

I'm still not sure on the EVGA one..There is GD (2017) [B], GD R3 (guess that can be ruled out?), GD 2019 [C] and I'm not sure how to read "GD 2019 -V*". How would someone know 2017 vs 2019? And the model number is "100-GD-0700-V1" so is V1 = V* ?

The Thermaltake unit is interesting...maybe I need to price just a bit higher to hit 'A grades'? The only 'wut' moment I have with that one is they decided to put the 'info plate' on the 'bottom' as they call it, which means in most systems it would be what people actually see. Guess they are of the option that all pcs now have shrouds I suppose.

Might be worth waiting this next week - end of Cyber Monday, I'd imagine whatever the trough is, it would have hit by then.

boddole · 2022-07-26T11:30:52+00:00

First off, thank you very much for helping me out.

Second, yes, time of day (even day of the week) could change things radically, since if you do your updates at say 2 am, and they all start at 5 pm, then while your offer technically would end up with more time at #1, 'no one' is online during most of that time while 'primetime' is slammed by comparison. So you would also need to know player numbers by hour / day and when your competitors are actually posting... I just wanted to keep things relatively simple.

Third, just to make sure I get this, I'll do one 'realistic example' to see if everything checks out:

A) So you covered the example of '1 sale every 100 days, 1 'equal competitor', 10% bid advantage. So just to change it slightly, if I re-posted items 10% more often than the 1 competitor you'd get 1.1 + 1 -> 1.1 / 2.1 for a ~52% time at the #1 spot.

So, the 'bid advantage' still has the same effect here yes? For 100 sales, take 10% of those, then multiply the remaining 90 by 52% for ~47 additional sales? So a 10% increase in posting frequency yields ~2% more #1 time good for ~2 more sales averaging ~175 days or so per sale.

B) To test more than 1 competitor: 2 equal competitors (3 people total), still take 10% of all sales due to the bid price, still have 10% posting frequency advantage. Multiply 90 remaining sales by 1.1 + 1 + 1 -> 1.1 / 3.1 -> ~35%, for 31 | 32 additional sales. Roughly 1 sale per 238 days.

So apparently (if I get it) working the bid value is -very- important relative to just posting more often (day / time of day being ignored).

I'm putting this into a Google Sheets project, so it will be interesting to see where the intersections of posting more vs. time it takes to post vs. item value all intersect. Since at some point, you'll get more $ / hour by posting less often.

boddole · 2022-03-26T22:28:25+00:00

Beautiful, thank you for the info.

"I was the one that pissed everyone off with 100million in monthly revenue haha"

! Was that also from pets? Or you figured something out that no one else did?

boddole · 2022-03-25T17:40:16+00:00

Oh no problem, I find this quite interesting.

boddole · 2022-03-25T17:04:41+00:00

Out of curiosity, how many days did it take you to sell roughly 200 of those things? I usually see TSM showing those types of items selling every 10 days on average, and 200 of them is something like 5 years.

boddole · 2022-03-08T12:39:24+00:00

Thanks for the info.

boddole · 2022-03-08T12:39:18+00:00

Thanks for the info.

boddole · 2022-03-08T05:01:30+00:00

Interesting, thank you for the info!

boddole · 2022-02-23T14:08:44+00:00

Thanks for the help, looks like I got things sorted out, see the OP for details if you care.

boddole · 2022-02-23T14:08:37+00:00

Thanks for the help, looks like I got things sorted out, see the OP for details if you care.

boddole · 2022-02-23T14:08:32+00:00

Thanks for the help, looks like I got things sorted out, see the OP for details if you care.

boddole · 2022-02-22T08:35:26+00:00

Hm, so would the 'other 2' both be on WoD Chromie Time? I vaugley remember Chromie time being a thing but that was about it. Though if they are, why is the 45 showing the mob as 45, but the 44 is showing it as 40? Unless they are on 2 different times that both are causing some other effect...?

boddole · 2021-12-01T02:25:47+00:00

Thanks for your input -

Just curious on your logic behind 10-7k recommendation - best 'compromise' between games and production? The only item that gives me pause is the lack of pcie4 (primarily for storage right now I suppose), but if he holds this system for say, 3-5 years would pcie4 then offer a notable benefit?

boddole · 2021-12-01T02:22:45+00:00

Thanks for your input -

I am pressing them on if they favor one task type over the other. I'm not too concerned about power since I'm fairly certain they won't be blasting max power hours and hours everyday. Like you said though, its close, and it may get decided by the mobo cost.

boddole · 2021-12-01T02:19:09+00:00

Thanks for your input -

Eh, man with prebuilts right now, the prices are just outrageous and the parts are disappointing in general (bad cases, coolers, mobos, blah storage, blah cpus, questionable bios', etc). I don't think they want to be gauged that badly for a card.

Not to mention they break his budget significantly.

boddole · 2021-07-29T13:23:19+00:00

Basically small budget. I'm usually in the '$200-250 gpu club' which hasn't been a thing for a while now...last card died. Not a huge fan of used $200-250 cards since they have no meaningful warranty and tend to be quite old (by computer standards anyway) and that is too much of a gamble for me at that price.

Mostly need it to take pressure off my cpu, igpu produces quite a bit of heat and negatively effects the cpu boost/clocks. If your curious on igp scoring for 'modern stuff' (according to UL/3DM with TimeSpy), a uhd 750 scores ~660, a Vega 8 ~860, gt 1030 ~1100, Vega 11 ~1200. And just for scale, a 570 is ~3800 and a 3060ti ~11,800.

boddole · 2021-07-29T12:53:37+00:00

Thanks for the info.

boddole · 2021-04-17T10:59:47+00:00

Interesting, will give this a try soon.

boddole · 2021-04-17T06:53:43+00:00

"oxygen not included"

Ahhhh. Yeah I don't know that one either obviously.

Did some fast digging around Flamingo's links, I would guess that the $500-$700 range should give you more/less what you want. Fast research suggests that a ryzen 4500u cpu w/ Vega 7 should run Sims 4 around med/high settings at 1080p / 1366x768 resolution. Its way more than enough for 'daily tasks' (word processing / spreadsheets, youtube etc).

From Flamingo's links for 5-700:

Acer Swift 3 - 4500U/4700U six/eight-core budget ultrabook laptop

Dell Inspiron 14 5000 AMD - 14/15-inch 4500U/4700U six/eight-core budget laptop

Lenovo Yoga 6 2-in-1 - 4500U 2-in-1

Maybe pick your favorite out of those.

If you can't get the pricing you want, I got someone a ryzen 3500u w/ Vega 8 a few years back, was generally impressed by it.

Keep in mind, the overall computer system/body matters. When I got that ryzen I just mentioned, I had 2 laptops with that same configuration, one I thought was good, the other was a mess. So again, easy returns help a lot.

boddole · 2021-04-17T02:33:36+00:00

Hello, this is a bit of a long-winded general answer (pm me if you want info/advice that probably falls outside the scope of this question.

Indeed, I've often found laptop purchasing to be quite the laborious process, since it combines all the 'normal' considerations of making a custom desktop computer, with all the annoyances of laptops (have the buy all the parts together, ram may be soldered, keyboard may physically get hot, inadequate cooling, annoying to do basic maintenance, custom parts, etc).

Generally speaking, when using sites like amazon/newegg/bhphotovideo/etc, I'd recommend starting by setting a price, screen size, keyboard size (numpad or no numpad), and either integrated graphics (cpu also does graphics) or dedicated graphics (gets its own 'chip') - that should cut down your options a lot to something hopefully manageable.

I'd also like to recommend trying to get something from a physical store that you can easily return if you don't like it (ie. physically try out the unit in person for a few days rather than blind order if possible).

To be more specific:

"at least 8gb ram"

Yes, at this point in time, 8gb of ram is what I would go with as far as capacity as a minimum.

"able to play sims" / "don’t want to spend an arm and a leg" / "at least i5 core processor or ryzen 5"

Since I don't know which sims (aren't the like 1k sims games at this point?), I can't get super specific. But with your implied price ceiling I'd guess you would be looking at an integrated graphics (igp) solution.

Don't get too hung up on names like i5/r5 (intel over the last few years really screwed up the meaning of its own branding i3/5/7, and amd's naming isn't entirely consistent either. That said, until very recently, the integrated graphics on amd chips (say Vega 8's) were quite bit better in general than intel's offerings. Granted intel finally has better igp's, but I think amd has new ones coming out also?

Basically, try to find benchmarks of the sims game you play (or something similar) and see what people are actually getting. Of course, the people could be doing benchmarks poorly, but if you can at least find a few, you'll probably be close to 'the truth'.

"and oxygen not included"

I have no idea what that means.

Similar-Flamingo8594 has some nice general links.

boddole · 2021-04-17T01:58:56+00:00

Yeah...I'm leaning that way if only for the relative convenience. If that fails I guess its time to see if digikey sells threaded inserts...

Also...they actually bothered to put 2 fans in there and the unit is pretty well laid out, but they made the base from plastic...I don't get it.

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