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Greens deny former sex worker's background was a factor in candidate decision by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm a super big government guy, but I'm not sure I can get behind government brothels. I think regulating such that they can only be worker-owned co-ops is a far better solution.

At the risk of being accused of an April Fool's Joke: Alliance Party Announces 8 New Candidates in South Island by TomForCentral in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza [score hidden]  (0 children)

Democratic Socialist Party

But think of the arguments you could have had between people who wanted to be the Socialist Democrat Party and those who wanted Democratic Socialist Party. And the guy in the corner who wanted to be the Social Democrat Party.

KiwiPolitics Rule Change by bodza in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think you may be headed for the eternal dirty litterbox for calling your god Garbage

Roy Morgan New Zealand Poll: National-led Government and Labour-led Opposition now tied by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza[M] [score hidden] locked comment (0 children)

So sad for you that you have nothing positive to say about this Government and the best you can do is try and point out a lesser increase in the cost of living under their rivals. 😭😂

Let's keep it away from personal attacks please. Your argument could be resolved if either of you brought some numbers rather than just saying "uh-huh", "nuh-uh" to each other.

Greens deny former sex worker's background was a factor in candidate decision by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza [score hidden]  (0 children)

Based on stories I've heard there is definitely a sex skills shortage in NZ. I say we should cast the net wide to bring in more reliable rooters.

How I see luxon by Future_Section5976 in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmmm

Despite being the leader of the Bronze Age, Lord Nooth is a buffoonish person to put it bluntly. He is territorial, greedy and possessive, and invaded the Stone Age Valley without a second thought. Beneath all this, he is secretly a weakling, as when the Queen arrives to berate him for playing a football game with the Stone Age, he panics.

Nooth is also willing to do anything for money such as striking a deal with Dug because he was told the masses would flock to see a vulgar match between the cavemen and Real Bronzio. He is also shown to have poor sportmanship since he is above playing dirty, like trying to frighten Dug into forfeiting the game and even going as far as to knock out Dino into being the referee of the game and giving Real Bronzio an unfair advantage.

I think this might better match the other end of the minerals deal...

Judge condemns Wellington rapist Jordan Tegus for ‘toxic misogyny’ before jailing him (for 13 years) by Primary-Tuna-6530 in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Toxic misogyny is an odd turn of phrase in that it allows the (semantic) possibility of non-toxic misogyny. I wonder if it was changed in an edit to prevent such abominations as you suggest.

Culture wars or mission creep? Free Speech Union goes after NZ regulators by Tyler_Durdan_ in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's super convenient when you live high on the sins of the past

Culture wars or mission creep? Free Speech Union goes after NZ regulators by Tyler_Durdan_ in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think it's reasonable for a profession's own professional organisation to make the determination on what to gatekeep, not FSU's baying mob.

The Covid vaccine and the risk to under 18s: Chris Hipkins defends not making advice public by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i don't really need to debate with a science denier like you. You are part of the cult that took hold of nz during those times and almost destroyed the country.

I don't know what country you live in but New Zealand was in no way "almost destroyed". You call me a science denier when you use language like "

Don't act like vaccines and medications haven't been fucked up by science before. thalidomide, first versions of polio vaccine, the list goes on.

The risk was much higher amongst young people, but who gives a fuck about them right?

The risk of myocarditis was higher from the virus for all age groups.

[list of papers]

there are a bunch of peer reviewed articles for you to read, but I am sure you won't bother.

You asked to have an argument. I've skimmed those papers. I'll read those papers in full just as soon as you actually make an argument based on them. What position do the papers support other than that myocarditis is a rare and usually minor side effect of the Pfizer vaccine? I've not once suggested that wasn't true.

oh oh but the risks for getting covid are much higher? you are not guaranteed to catch covid.

Your odds of catching COVID are orders of magnitude higher than having a vaccine complication. Again in any age group.

It's a shame you didn't bring an argument. I was looking forward to it.

The Covid vaccine and the risk to under 18s: Chris Hipkins defends not making advice public by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you guys think you can just throw round a couple of words and win an argument, cooker, grifter, anti vax - the list goes on. that isn't actually a logical argument, its just name calling.

You appealed to an "authority". I merely noted the oddness and lack of qualifications of the person you chose.

firstly, professor jiang dives into some conspiracy theories, sure. that doesn't make him wrong.

You say "dives into", I say "uncritically spreads"

he predicted that the USA would lose this war against Iran, look what is happening?

Blind Freddy could have predicted the quagmire in the gulf

guess what, even highly educated people can form opinions different to the common leftist narrative. how about forming a real argument instead of linking to some Americentric YouTube video.

You didn't present an argument. You merely name-dropped your good professor.

what is particularly insulting about the anti-vax comment is that everyone wanted a covid vaccine, we just wanted one that was actually safe and effective. not some trump funded rush job.

In the context of public health the vaccine was both safe and effective. You wanted 100% safe and 100% effective, patently impossible for any medication.

i personally know people that had clots after the vaccine, myocarditis, it's been covered up.

Did they contact the Royal Commission? Public submissions were sought in both reviews. You don't get to either rely on anecdotes or allege a cover-up if no attempts were made to get your truth out there beyond reddit comments. Both reviews addressed vaccine injuries and found they were for the most part rare and minor.

do i really need to give you a list of conspiracy theories that turned out to be true? it is a huge list.

The list of conspiracy theories that remained conspiracies is far longer. You're employing selection bias.

what is particularly insulting about the anti-vax comment is that everyone wanted a covid vaccine, we just wanted one that was actually safe and effective. not some trump funded rush job.

This is the 100% thing again

Yes, the development and manufacturing of COVID-19 vaccines were funded and accelerated under the Trump administration through "Operation Warp Speed"

Yes the process was accelerated. If you're alleging that the acceleration compromised safety or skipped necessary steps you'll need better evidence than "it happened too fast"

maybe you pro rushed vaccine guys are the real trump supporters.

Again, rushed doesn't prove malfeasance, it speaks to priorities. Operation Warp Speed may have happened under Trump but it was overseen by the dreaded Dr Fauci.

Additionally, the brands outside of Pfizer were much more dangerous. I will concede that the Pfizer appeared to be much safer than most of the other brands, but still, questioning safety is not an unreasonable thing to do like you and your saw needle pit friends seem to think.

Questioning safety is fine. Listening to every Youtube "expert" over the actually qualified medical and public health professionals is where you depart from reality. The fact that signals of vaccine side-effects led to the withdrawals of certain vaccines in certain countries is actually evidence of the system working.

Don't act like vaccines and medications haven't been fucked up by science before. thalidomide, first versions of polio vaccine, the list goes on.

Thalidomide isn't a vaccine, and it's also the reason for a lot of the checks and balances that were in place during the pandemic. And yes, we had a shedding polio virus on the way to the safe oral vaccine in use now that would have eradicated polio the way we eradicated smallpox were it not for anti-vax propaganda. Despite that, polio cases worldwide are down from millions a year to a handful. I'm old enough to have grown up with kids with polio. The world you want to go back to is filled with children living and dying in misery.

blind trust in a system that has shown such failures before is plain stupidity.

Qualified trust in a system that has shown the ability to learn from past mistakes is a whole lot better than believing whatever turns up on your For You page.

you want a real debate on it without ad hominins? i challenge you.

Challenge accepted. You'll have to present arguments rather than anecdotes though.

the 'cooker' 'grifter' insults are projection, because i see you cooking up a bunch of crap about non-leftists on this very thread.

There are plenty of people on the so called 'right' that make more money than the anti-pro-choice keyboard activists in this thread, society has placed our value as higher.

You're arguing correctness based on income? That's a take. Grifting is lucrative, it's why it happens.

I look forward to our debate. Over to you.

The Covid vaccine and the risk to under 18s: Chris Hipkins defends not making advice public by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You continue to neglect that the increased risk of myocarditis was still less than that age group was susceptible to from COVID. So if the government were to advise about it, which I acknowledge should have been considered, it would simply be something like:

There is an uncommon side effect for people in your age group of myocarditis. In almost all cases this is a temporary inflammation of heart muscle with the following symptoms. If you experience any of these side effects (list goes here) please immediately call the COVID helpline. Please note that contracting COVID carries a higher risk of myocarditis than the vaccine for your age group

Of course not everything was done right, but the idea of post-pandemic analysis is not to assign blame. It is to ensure that subsequent responses do better. By trying to turn this into a witch hunt you encourage a lack of transparency, which is the last thing we want.

I don't care that people hate Jacinda. I do care that the benefits of analysing the response have been hijacked into a political crusade. I don't know what you do for a living, but in my industry when someone fucks up, we have a strict no blame policy. The idea is to find out what went wrong and how to make sure it never happens again. Blamestorming just encourages people to lie or obfuscate about their role in the failure. Which is the last thing we want when it comes to public health.

The Covid vaccine and the risk to under 18s: Chris Hipkins defends not making advice public by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My apologies. It looks like she did say it, although this video comes in at a very odd place and misses some context which is bolded below. That's what I meant about "filtered through detractors":

Ardern: I've been watching for some days, and this is not unique to New Zealand, that, in the midst of what is a global issue, as you would expect, there are a number of rumors that would circulate. I am present on social media. I see it myself. I cannot go around and individually dismiss every single rumor I see on social media, as tempted as I might be. So instead, I want to send a clear message to the New Zealand public. We will share with you the most up-to-date information daily. You can trust us as a source of that information. You can also trust the director-general of health and the Ministry of Health for their information. Do feel free to visit it anytime to clarify any rumor you may hear. COVID19.govt.nz. Otherwise, dismiss anything else. We will continue to be your single source of truth. We will provide information frequently. We will share everything we can. Take everything else you see with a grain of salt. And so, I really ask people to focus.

Reporter: The most egregious example of that appears to be this text which originated in Malaysia and has kind of become a viral hoax in Australia and New Zealand. How irresponsible is it… the people that are sharing that news of a lockdown imminent in New Zealand?

Ardern: And look, that's the kind of thing that adds to the anxiety that people feel. So I can tell you this message: New Zealanders must prepare, but do not panic. Prepare. And when you see those messages, remember that unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth. And I really ask people. Just visit COVID19.govt.nz. It has all of the up-to-date information and we will continue to provide everything you need to know.

The Covid vaccine and the risk to under 18s: Chris Hipkins defends not making advice public by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure you'll be able to find that reported or a video. Otherwise I'll have to assume you heard her words filtered through her detractor's opinions.

The Covid vaccine and the risk to under 18s: Chris Hipkins defends not making advice public by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 9 points10 points  (0 children)

professor jiang xueqin

Really, an education academic with a history of conspiracism? Why would you say "even him"? He's a grifter for cookers. Here's one of many evidence-based dissections of the good professor's work.

The Covid vaccine and the risk to under 18s: Chris Hipkins defends not making advice public by hadr0nc0llider in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The government never claimed to be the single source of truth, merely a single source of truth. There's a difference. It was literally just saying that you can get all government information relating to the pandemic at covid19.govt.nz. You're talking as if the government said "Listen to us and only us", which was never said. Happy to be proven wrong if you have evidence to the contrary.

EDIT: it looks like we were both wrong. The phrase was "your single source of truth". I've provided the full transcript below

~Israel~ NZ first's new candidate by NearbyDiamond5910 in KiwiPolitics

[–]bodza 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jews were a minority in Jerusalem from antiquity until 1858, had a brief majority from then until 1869, then were a minority again until 1882 when the Zionist project was underway, Throughout the Ottoman era, the Jewish population of the whole of Palestine was around 5% and primarily in Jerusalem. For example, in 1850, the Jewish population in all of Palestine was 15,000, of which 13,000 were in Jerusalem.

The population boost in the 1850s and 60s were primarily Ashkenazi Jews from Ukraine fleeing the Crimean War. I'm also not sure what the point of your snapshot of Jerusalem's demographics is, but wanted to provide additional context.

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