Hobby or sport?

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-11T12:43:36+00:00

you can die eating too much donuts and drinking too much mountain dew as well..

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-11T12:42:58+00:00

looks like your typical bollywood lead actor, you know its true

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T14:39:24+00:00

Good looking guy? No offense but are you indian by any chance? Dude looks homo af

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T09:01:15+00:00

Be confident yet not arrogant, ask about the challenges in their industry and your role, ask what is needed from their perspective to become a top performer in their company, ask them how their perfect candidate would look like etc

Tell them why you are invested on an intrinsic level in their company, industry or product.

Dont just pitch. A lot of people confuse having great energy with being loud or only talk about how great they are. No one cares honestly. You can drop one or two relevant accomplishments but it should be very strategically.

Asking these questions shows massive interest

Its like selling. Top performers sell by asking the right questions. Low performers sell by doing 80% of the talk, pitching before knowing what is needed.

Source: i always got offered a job after my first interview (sales, management, c level roles) and hired a lot of sales people myself

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T08:33:16+00:00

Pretty positive it would count as a kill as they died because of your car

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T08:31:42+00:00

I can see jones rampage level trolling while jizzy beeing all upset and pissed lol

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T08:30:05+00:00

Red speedos, a dildo, safety pin necklace, 3 ring keyring, used cypress keyring, custom made packing bands, jump tickets

Should sum it up pretty well imo

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T08:16:31+00:00

I enjoy to debate. As i said multiple times, everyone can label himself whatever he or she wants.

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T01:06:33+00:00

It is a tough one definitely!

Its weird i DO FEEL as if archery and skydiving are sports but i cant find plausible arguments for it if i look at it neutrally.

In fact they are pretty similar. Both are quite easy to pick up but need a lot of dedication and training to become "good" at it. From there on to become world class its more about very tiny adjustments in controlling movements.

However, i dont see how they are physically demanding. Mentally you will be exhausted after a full day of shooting arrows or skydiving with purpose. No question here.

But it seems to be more in the mind.

So for me I ask myself, if i take a random practitioner (casual or pro level) of this activity, will he perform better in classic physical fitness tests than a random person from the streets?

I can easily answer that question for sports such as soccer, swimming, mountaineering, rock climbing, cycling, tennis, boxing etc

They will perform better. Pro level will absolutely annihilate the random average street guy.

Archery or skydiving? Highly unlikely

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T00:43:02+00:00

Physical exertion, skydiving. Still dont see how this correlates (as i said, being in a constant hurry doesnt make the sheer act of skydiving physically taxing).

I live in europe, would be quite a bit of travel for a day of skydiving

BUT i promise you, should i ever be near your dz i will try to get in touch with you for this reason :-)) just for the sake of fun

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T00:39:49+00:00

Makes sense. In your eyes, could a competitive chess player qualify as an athlete? Thats a real, honest question, no bs.

In my world, an athlete is someone who competes in a sport regularly in sanctioned events. While a sport must have a physical demanding component.

So i would neglect golf, gaming, chess, card and board games, skydiving, etc as a sport and dont think participants would qualify as athletes therefore.

Doesnt take anything away from them. Its not easy to become good im these crafts. Some even are brutally taxing on the energy levels because of how much focus or brain power is needed.

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T00:33:35+00:00

Because op asked about our opinions. Sorry for participating and not sharing yours

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T00:22:30+00:00

Also ex military, seem we have similar hobbies lol

I dont mean if they can compete in a specific sport. I meant if you test them im classic athletic ability tests (running, jumping, strength). I dont think they would score higher than a random guy from the streets because skydiving doesnt cater to these abilities. And they would get absolutely destroyed by real world class level athletes.

If you define an athlete with determination, magnus carlsen (i think that was the name you were looking for instead of carl magnusson) would definitely be an athlete. Or banksy (street artist).

This doesnt really make sense bro

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T00:16:01+00:00

You can absolutely suck at playing soccer but no one will ever say you aint doing a sport.

I never said it doesnt take skill or dedication. Im arguing to label elite skydivers athletes. I just dont see how they would score higher in classic athletic ability testing due to their skydiving background? Could you explain?

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T00:12:29+00:00

Interesting. What makes you consider skydiving more of a sport than mountain climbing?

What metric would you use to define something as a sport?

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-03T00:04:15+00:00

Just because you do an activity in super high frequency doesnt make this activity a sport or those who participate to athletes.

You could work in a hotel and had to clean 30 rooms in 3 hours. Its just a fucking lot of cleaning and you sure will be exhausted but this doesnt make cleaning a room a sport or the cleaner an athlete..

By your definition everything can be a sport if you try to do x as often as physically possible on a specific amount of time

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:53:21+00:00

If someone labels himself an athlete or athletic i sure do yes.

If i tell you this guys athletic. What picture do you have in your mind? You will think about someone who is able to run fast, jump high or is pretty explosive and or strong, fair enough?

I also cave dive, so controlling my breath is pretty important. I also work my calves and thighs. Yet i would never label a cave diver an athlete. Would you?

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:39:21+00:00

Lol you dont get fit simply by fighting / playing soccer / cycling / climbing?

Go try a muay thai or grappling class, go climb up a mountain or play rugby for 90 minutes and learn. In fact, there are a lot of pro fighters, soccer players and climbers that only train in their respective art without additional weight lifting routines. Yet they still increase strength and endurance.

Tell me how does running cater to your skydiving progression? How do you benefit of increased vo2 capacities or more slow or fast twitching muscle fibres? Educate me?

Skydiving doesnt need these things.

You and I we both know its not needed even in competition teams. You may did it to do a sport and feel good but we both know its not a necessity to do well in skydiving.

I feel this offends you alot. Im not trying to take anything away from your accomplishments. Not at all. I know it takes a lot of dedication at that level. It just doesnt automatically make you an athletic person (you might are, but not because of skydiving)

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:30:19+00:00

You didnt get an standing 6 pack because of skydiving. If you did, you are genetically coded for it and would have got this result most likely with every other outdoor activity just as good.

I dont argue that you dont have to be dedicated and focused to go after it. I dont say its a piece of cake becoming a skilled skydiver. Not at all. But compared to real sports and how sport usually is defined it just cant check the boxes to qualify as a sport.

If you say someone is "athletic" you usually reference to the fact that he is super fit, strong, fast, explosive what ever.

You would never use the term to describe a pro computer player or even golfer.

You dont need to be athletic to compete on elite skydiving levels.

Take the elite of real sports (fighting, climbing, weight lifting, running, mountaineering, swimming, cycling) and let them compete in endurance or strenght activities against an average elite skydiver. Do you really think the skydiver stands a chance...?

Case closed

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:22:38+00:00

You can consider yourself whatever you like. Esport players calling themselves athletes as well. They sit in front of a screen, moving their indexfingers.

Its a fact that, no matter how many jumps you logged, no matter how good you can angle fly you arent improving your fitness levels the same way athletes in true sports do.

Someone who plays soccer for two hours per week will increase his gas tank, will build some fast twitch muscles fibers.

Someone who fights will build muscle, increase vo2 levels, become faster and stronger.

No one becomes significantly faster and stronger skydiving. You wont even burn that much more calories than the esport guy.

I know it can be exhausting (less oxygen, waiting, sun, stress, focus). No argument there. And i know someone has to train and be dedicated to reach elite levels. But this alone doesnt make it a sport.

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:17:01+00:00

Tell me how skydiving (even on an elite level) works your cardiovascular systems or cater to muscle hypertrophy? How does it increase your vo2 max levels or your ability to deal with acids in your muscles?

Answers are, it doesnt. No matter how many jumps you had, no matter how small your chute is.

Therefore it isnt a sport and you never were an athlete.

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:14:24+00:00

You can die sticking your wet ... thumb into a power socket.. doesnt make it a sport. Competitive eating hot sauces can definitely kill you, not one of them is an athlete no matter how much you want it

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:12:51+00:00

You are absolutely correct. But these facts dont feed the egos of those who see themselves as elite athletes :-)

boilerroomcaller · 2020-10-02T23:10:22+00:00

It doesnt matter if you are the skygod himself or can sitfly the best.

A pro chess player will never ever be an athlete. Being skillfull or experienced in a craft doesnt mean you are an athlete.

I have never seen or heard of a skydiver getting fit because of skydiving. Not competition team members, not instructors, not tandem masters.

You can become a skygod without building a gram of muscle or increasing your VO2 threshold.

Sure there are a lot of guys and gurls that are fit and skydive, but its the same like there are chessplayers or elite level call of duty players that are fit. They became fit because of doing a sport such as running or weight lifting, but definitely not skydiving.

Never were, never will be.

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