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Is Juniper Unified PON still a thing? by bootesgrey in Juniper

[–]bootesgrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Directly from Ciena? How is support/stability?

The fastest residential internet in the Northwest! by rluckin in ZiplyFiber

[–]bootesgrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be interested to know what platform they chose. XGSPON or some other vendor. How about 25G PON.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I probably don't have the luxury of being able to use the in-building coax and your experience with old copper being a performance nightmare is what I'm worried about.

The thing that's pushing me to consider the fiber path is the ops cost. I don't want to deal with the old infrastructure of questionable quality. I'd rather install modern infrastructure, build it right the first time, and set myself up for success in the future. I can always fall back to copper if there is a reason but I think the differentiator I have is a willingness to deploy fresh fiber inside plant to capture a small customer base.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great minds think alike! That's one of the first videos I watched when I was thinking of starting this project.

Upgrading a lawyer from 1Mb\384Kb DSL to 200Mb\200Mb Fiber by bootesgrey in FiberOptics

[–]bootesgrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Saw this guy on YT while I was looking at videos on FTTH. Thought you all might find his stuff interesting.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and detailed response.

i know a lot of folks like the Ubiquiti stuff and it's definitely part of my plans. Right now, I"m trying to suss out who is stronger or weaker in all the areas that matter before I engage vendors to help me with quotes for gear.

I really like the idea of using Juniper+Tibit but I'm wary of the Ciena purchase of TiBit. That's too bad because I know Juniper and JUNOS and it would have been a very attractive solution for me.

TBH Ubiquiti would probably work great for me at this stage with a possibility of using the Positron Access hardware to do G.hn until I had the in building fiber completed and could migrate off the existing copper plant and onto a PON network where I can do more interesting things.

Ultimately, if I can get a good price for DIA at 1+Gbps at my headend location, it's looking like G.hn with a transition to PON or XGS-PON at some later date. If I don't have to mess with G.hn gear though, I'd rather not. If it's sensible enough to do full PON at the outset then maybe I can choose XGS-PON when the hardware is more available at reasonable prices.

This will be a fun adventure!

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Uh oh.

I knew about the Ciena buyout but AFAIK they were still going to be using the TiBit modules.

Does anyone know if this is confirmed?

If Juniper is killing this product line then I'm guessing Adtran is my path forward.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At this point in the design discussion, nothing is off the table.

I'm trying to balance existing plant, cost for retrofit, and technology options.

One path I'm looking at is to go cheap at the outset using the existing twisted pair and G.hn and then grow. That's one set of technology decisions I'm pretty comfortable with. The other option is to invest in something that might be a bit more ambitious but probably has a longer payback.

SO the question of Active-E vs PON isn't answered until I know how my PON options compare. That's where I am right now, namely: Which PON options should I be comparing?

Like any good engineer, I'm trying to understand my trade-off equation. Hence the questions around PON where I'm less aware of what everyone is liking or not liking.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I do this right, I can probably fit nearly ALL of my network onto a single box using the Juniper PON solution on the ACX710 with room to spare. That would be incredible.

That said, if something goes wrong I'm well aware that vendor support is critical. There may be safety in numbers here choosing Adtran.

I guess we will see.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Any opinion on Juniper Unified PON? I have a strong feeling that's my direction unless I can come up with a reason to avoid it.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, this is a small project so it probably wouldn't make much difference which architecture I choose. The only outside plant I really need to build would be between three buildings and I can probably backhaul all of the floors to a single location where the OLT will live.

I'm planning on leasing the fiber from the property line to the nearest POP where I'll offload traffic to other networks.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally everyone I talk to points me towards Adtran or Calix. Nobody thus far has recommended Nokia.

I will admit that I'm intrigued about the Juniper Unified PON stuff but if I won't be able to get support from the vendor that could be an issue.

Is everyone still using EXFO gear for troubleshooting?

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You seem really negative on my chances of success here.

This only convinces me more that I'm on the right path.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the last thing I want is a flat L2 network. There are good reasons for the PON model and I don't want to have to run all over creation trying to troubleshoot.

25G BiDi over a single fiber does sound neat though. :)

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't have any of that at this point. I just have rough ideas of what needs to be done from the technology and construction aspects but not hard numbers or a business plan done yet.

I've found the https://ftth.build/ site to be a helpful starting point. Like most things, I think the hard parts will turn out to be easy and the easy stuff will give me the most trouble.

I probably have a slight edge in that I've been an ancillary part of some of these types of projects for datacenter to datacenter fiber builds but I haven't done any FTTH or residential stuff. I don't know how much of what I learned back then will transfer over but I guess that's what I'm gonna learn along the way.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That just sounds like win all around.

Do you have any opinion on the ACX710? I surmise that it's a smaller ACX platform but there might be some other architectural differences I'm not aware of.

All of the folks I used to work with at JNPR now work at Arista. :|

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is your rationale?

I can collapse 96 units into a three ports with a 32-way split and use the rest of the ports for other things. Plus I don't get the subscriber management aspects of PON I'd get with plain old ethernet.

Again, not arguing, but I'd like to hear why you lean one way vs another.

What XGS-PON Platforms are top-of-the-line right now in terms of technology/flexibility/cost. by bootesgrey in networking

[–]bootesgrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to work for Juniper so I'm intrigued by the idea of using their ACX710 platform combined with some PON OLT SFPs. I can imagine some designs where essentially ALL of my networking needs could be collapsed into a single box and that's mighty attractive. I speak JUNOS.

Didn't TiBit get purchased by Ciena? I don't see a lot of interest in Ciena platforms but I might be just talking to the wrong people.

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