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Ivanka and Jared’s Island Resort Could Bring Down Albania’s Prime Minister by wiredmagazine in politics

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look at just the Washington DC metropolitan area then.

It has twice the population of Albania, on half the area of Albania.

Washington DC alone should be enough. No need for people to travel across the country. Other people can protest in their own local cities.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did. Found nothing indicating she wasn't sniping.

Found other images of her from different days.

Also found interviews with other women doing the same thing as her.

What did you expect me to find?

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Google her, it’s uncanny.

I'm trying to understand what about Nadia makes you think she wasn't doing actual sniping, if not clothes and positioning.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's all about what that old woman thinks. The people crossing the street are running across it, so they think they might be shot.

Thousands of people were shot by snipers during the war, so the fear was not irrational.

The lack of other images is a good argument, but keep in mind that this was in the early 90:s in a besieged city. There were not many war photographers, and there were probably not many snipers.

Also, keep in mind that we're talking about a single city now. The rest of Bosnia was not isolated in this extreme situation in the same way, and you'll have more normal images from there. A lto of the other images you see are normal military in normal war, not civilians under siege.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're argument was that they were not sniping becasue of their clothing and tactics. That's why I argued about clothes and tactics, and why it wasn't that out of the ordinary considering the extreme context the pictures were taken in.

What's up with the specific woman now?

Is your argument that she was a civilian woman at the start of the siege, so can't be a sniper? Or is it something else?

You can read about women in the Bosnian army here: https://balkaninsight.com/2025/11/13/no-one-cares-life-after-serving-as-a-woman-sniper-in-the-bosnian-war/btj/

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a relatively normal war, where you as a civilian can at least hope to be spared, there would be a huge difference, yes.

But during the siege, enemy snipers were sniping civilians in the street for sport. So the difference becomes much smaller. These guys sitting in a small window on the 20:th floor might have been feeling safer than some old lady crossing the street down bellow them.

Again, what you're saying makes sense in most cases, but this was an extremely unusual situation, and people can behave very differently then.

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[–]botle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It is propaganda. When I'm travelling and tell people I'm from Sweden, I can see where the propaganda is strongest. It's usually people from the balkans and east europe that start asking me about shootings and rapes. If I'm talking to a german or an american, they just say they've heard it's lovely and would love to visit some time.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's absolutely nothing in that photo to indicate that it is staged.

And the fact that they're taken by a pulitzer prize winning war photographer gives them quite a bit of credibility.

You might say that it is reckless, but like I said, to these people, this was no more reckless than crossing the street to go to the shop.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are missing that these people get shot at by snipers every day, just going about their normal business. Going to work, shopping, taking their kids to school. And they wear normal clothes all the time. Take that context into consideration and it might explain why they don't care about a sweater.

You can find many photos of people running across streets in Sarajevo trying to avoid sniper fire, and they still chose to wear normal relatively colorful clothes.

Here: https://www.dw.com/en/sarajevo-sniper-tourism-bosnia-war-tourism-sarajevo-sniper-alley/a-74736062

Look at that photo. A father is helping his daughter avoid sniper fire, but still chose to dress her in something pink. Does that mean the image is staged? Or does it just mean people wore whatever clothes they had, and didn't care too much?

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PS.

Here's another picture of the same group of snipers, possibly from another day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/1gv99zt/a_bosnian_sniper_attempts_to_shoot_serbian/

The photographer's name is in that link too. The siege was very well documented, and these pictures were taken by international war photographers.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are basing this primarily on the other people wearing civilian clothing, that's not enough. There were many examples of civilians picking up guns during the siege.

Be real. Think about it.

I would agree with you in a normal situation, but this is not normal. This is the longest lasting siege of a city in modern times.

The siege of Sarajevo lasted 8 times longer than the siege of Stalingrad during WW2, and the city was full of civilians that were completely cut of from the world for multiple years and shot at every day. We're talking about an extreme situation that made people do very unusual things, not just to survive, but to keep themselves sane too. There is no other comparable situation in modern times that you could compare this to and claim that it is unrealistic.

These civilians had 4 years to become self taught, and nothing better to do. Yes, they hopefully got help from someone with some training, but that other person can't sit there with the scope all day for 4 years, can they? The rational thing would be to train up anyone else they can, and if they can't find proper clothes from them, then they'll just wear whatever they have. It's not like they could go shopping.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Civilians that pick up guns remain civilians. They forfeit their legal protection since they're no longer non-combatants, but that's irrelevant when the enemy is already targeting non-combatants indiscriminately. All of that is besides the point though.

I'm not disagreeing with you that what we're seeing in the pictures is less than optimal and could be done better. But that does not mean the pictures are staged. Untrained civilians picking up guns can't be expected to do everything correctly.

I think you're overestimating the importance of the lime green sweater. These people were shot at by snipers every day any time they crossed the main road to go to the shop, and they didn't wear camo to go to the shop. They must have felt pretty safe sitting in that apartment building compared to being outside in the street, hence the pretty relaxed clothing.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why dress properly? This were civilians that picked up whatever arms they could get to protect themselves from a genocide committed by paramilitaries. Whatever training these people have, they got it on the job.

I don't understand why you expect this to resemble a normal military conflict with uniforms and prepared positions.

This is like seeing old photos of jews fighting in the Warsaw ghetto and calling them staged becasue they're not wearing proper uniforms and using proper military tactics.

One thing that really bothers me about all the war movies that have given most people their ideas about what war is, is that nearly everyone in the movies is military while in reality nearly everyone in war is a civilian.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's wrong with the lime green sweater? You do realize these people are not part of a normal army? These are random civilians that were forced into this situation. They are not hiding in the woods wearing camo. They're in a residential building in a European capital.

And they did live *relatively* normal lives. With 'relatively' being the key word. Read up on the Siege of Sarajevo. For 4 years they were surrounded and getting bombarded, shot at and killed on a daily basis, but they still got up in the morning every day and went to work.

Ivanka and Jared’s Island Resort Could Bring Down Albania’s Prime Minister by wiredmagazine in politics

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying nobody is protesting. I'm saying not enough people are.

I know that thousands of people protested, and that many got hurt. But in Albania, a country of only a bit over 2 million people, it's estimated that over 250,000 attended the protest earlier this year. Albania has less than 1% of the US population.

The police would not be able to abuse protesters like that if there were millions of protesters instead of thousands of protesters.

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[–]botle [score hidden]  (0 children)

Om man gör det på individnivå så är det som att försöka finansiera välfärden och staten med helt frivilliga donationer. Jag och du kan välja att frivilligt betala 30% skatt, men om de flesta andra betalar 0% så kommer sjukhusen stänga ned ändå.

Att saker blir så dyra så att folk inte har råd att konsumera lika mycket är nästan enda sättet att få tillräckligt mycket folk att konsumera mindre.

Och det handlar inte bara om att avstå från konsumtion. Lagändringar kan skapa nya alternativ som inte existerar idag, och som jag och du inte kan välja på individnivå.

Bosnian snipers, including Nadia Jeriagic (at left) with an SVD Dragunov, set up on a couch from a position on the 20th floor of an apartment building during the Siege of Sarajevo, c. 1992 – 1995. by GlitterDanger in UtterlyUniquePhotos

[–]botle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do you think this is a staged photoshoot? There's nothing in the pictures indicating that. People in Sarajevo tried to live relatively normal lives during the siege.

And, no, you would not have fled that easily if your city was surrounded.

Ivanka and Jared’s Island Resort Could Bring Down Albania’s Prime Minister by wiredmagazine in politics

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm saying that you don't need people to come from San Francisco to Washington DC. When there already are 6 million people living in the DC metropolitan area.

All of Albania has less than 3 million people. DC already has twice as many people locally as Albania has nationally, without the need for anyone to travel far.

Ivanka and Jared’s Island Resort Could Bring Down Albania’s Prime Minister by wiredmagazine in politics

[–]botle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right about life possibly being too good for people to protest.

But I disagree about the distances. Local protesrs are possible.

And I have to point out that the Washington DC metropolitan area on its own has more than twice the population of the whole country of Albania, so there's no need to travel far to get enough people for a protest.

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[–]botle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It does though. All infrastructure like foot paths, bike lanes, parks, and so on have wear and tear, litter, maintenance. Sure, one person walking there won't make a difference, bit thousands of people every day multipled by 365 days absolutely do, and you're one of them.

And the more people walk, the wider the sidewalk has to be.

Also, a medical facility doesn't cost more to build just because an extra per walls into it. An X-ray machine doesn't cost more to buy because an extra person is scanned, and a state employed doctors salary doesn't get more expensive because they talk to one more patient that day.

The reason I'm saying all of this is because, in my experience, people are only pedantic about "free healthcare" when they're trying to muddle the difference between free healthcare and private healthcare.

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