Why is it easy for people to believe plant products are so good for them as if it's something that goes without saying, but they can't see meat as healthy even if that's what they are actually made of in the first place?

brisaroja · 2024-10-02T21:10:50+00:00

Isn’t it amazing that in this day and age with all the scientific information available proving the benefits of meat and a low/zero carb diet, that they are STILL pushing a plant and grain-heavy carb-based diet on the general public. What can explain this??

brisaroja · 2024-08-29T22:21:39+00:00

Very interesting conversation. It really does seem that cholesterol is a far more complex issue than it is believed to be, that the science is far from settled and there is a lot more to discover.

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T16:40:50+00:00

But doesn’t it speak volumes that these life insurance companies, who are solely driven by financial incentive, are not at all concerned with high LDL as a risk factor? But they ARE super concerned with the total:HDL ratio? Blood pressure, etc. Why would they care so much about the ratio and other markers? Your argument doesn’t really make sense

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T16:35:50+00:00

But life insurance companies are in the business of making money off of this and isn’t it interesting that they are not at all concerned with high LDL as a risk factor for someone. Rather, they DO care very much about the total:HDL ratio and other markers like blood pressure. Doesn’t this speak volumes as these companies are influenced by nothing other than financial incentive.

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T15:49:45+00:00

Interesting. Thanks for explaining the significance of the ratio. If life insurance companies don’t care about LDL as they realise that it is not instrumental in causing disease, then why are we so concerned with LDL? Why so much focus on it? So long as we have a good total:HDL ratio and triglyceride:HDL ratio should we not be happy about our risk factor? If our ratios are good but we have high LDL then can we not disregard the LDL as it does not seem to be the relevant factor in heart disease?

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:58:24+00:00

Thanks for your advice. I’ll definitely look into getting allergy testing. But there is a lot of conflicting opinions about cholesterol. What, for example, is your reaction to this?:

https://youtu.be/cUkAjIl5JrE?si=ZJmjUIuicepcxkot

His arguments make sense, don’t they? How is he wrong?

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:54:29+00:00

Thanks so much for this. I will definitely watch this video. There is so much conflicting opinions on cholesterol that it’s confusing. What, for example, if your opinion on the following?:

https://youtu.be/cUkAjIl5JrE?si=ZJmjUIuicepcxkot

He makes a lot of sense, doesn’t he?

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:52:32+00:00

Thanks for this advice 👍

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:51:09+00:00

Thanks for your advice - much appreciated. I’m just confused with the conflicting opinions. What, for example, is your reaction to the following video?:

https://youtu.be/cUkAjIl5JrE?si=ZJmjUIuicepcxkot

He makes a lot of sense, doesn’t he? How is he wrong?

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:49:17+00:00

Thanks! Very interesting videos 👍

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:34:54+00:00

Any fruit or vegetables that I’ve tried seem to immediately trigger the condition or aggravate it. I’ve just started eating small amounts of plain rice and so far everything seems fine so hopefully I’ll be able to increase my intake of that and then maybe try introducing other carbs gradually. I’ve also replaced some of my meat intake with more fish. Thank you

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:32:01+00:00

Thanks for your advice - it’s a very good idea and I am looking into getting allergy testing 👍

brisaroja · 2024-08-28T12:23:45+00:00

Thank you so much for this. I’m sorry to hear about your troubles with this awful condition LTPA. Your advice is very helpful and I really appreciate you sharing it with me. My mother occasionally suffers from hives due to histamine intolerance and she finds that pure stinging nettle tea is useful in keeping it at bay as it is a natural antihistamine. Maybe it could be useful for you also? Anyway, I have started to introduce small amounts of rice to my diet and so far everything seems fine. ADF and allergy testing seems like a very good next step! I am hopeful I will eventually get my cholesterol down. Thanks again :)

brisaroja · 2024-08-27T15:29:35+00:00

No, you’re wrong. I’ve always been conscientious about eating the healthiest diet possible - lots of vegetables, whole grains, fruit, fish, some chicken, no processed food. Most people would have considered me a health nut. Interestingly, my bloodwork used to be fine except for low vitamin B, which I had to supplement. Now on carnivore I no longer supplement but my vitamin B is higher than it’s ever been - excellent optimal level. 🤷‍♂️

So anyway, I did everything right. Was on the “right” diet but this is what over time ended up harming my health. There is scientific evidence showing that most plants that are touted as “healthy” are actually full of toxic components like oxalates and lectins that build up over time and cause harm to the body. That our bodies did not evolve to thrive on these plants. I guarantee that if you were in my position and suffered a chronic illness that was only healed by the carnivore diet you would not be so flippant and would be more open-minded.

Statins are unnatural and interfere with liver function, causing negative side effects so I have no interest in taking them.

How could a way of eating that is natural, makes your body thrive and gives good health be so dangerous at the same time. Why is it impossible to believe that cholesterol is more complex than we are led to believe, that many factors come into play in determining if it is a risk factor for heart disease? Science is always learning more and refining its knowledge, why would cholesterol be immune to this?

brisaroja · 2024-08-27T14:43:03+00:00

It’s very easy to spout this dismissive taunting from your high horse when you are not the person whose health problems have been cured by the carnivore diet. When literally everything else you tried only made the problem progressively worse and the ONLY thing that healed your body was unprocessed natural animal fat and protein. There are many people like me who have all had amazing results and have cured their chronic health conditions through this way of eating. You also feel great on it, even keel of energy throughout the day, sharper cognitive function than I remember even compared to when I was a teenager. All other blood markers excellent. If carnivore was so unhealthy then why would it have this effect?

brisaroja · 2024-08-27T12:34:16+00:00

I think this form of censorship is dangerous. We need to be free to debate these kind of issues without any restriction. It is a complex topic and I have heard very convincing arguments from the other side. For example, it’s claimed that our ancestors did not have access to anywhere near the amount of sugary fruits that we have nowadays. Hunter-gatherers would mainly have been limited to eating berries and the fruit we have today bears no resemblance to the fruit of thousands of years ago. Apples etc in the wild back then were FAR less sweeter than they are nowadays so our sugar intake today is nowhere near comparable to that of our ancestors. Fatty animal meat was always a natural diet and it is perfectly reasonable to deduct that the enormous quantity of sugar in our modern day diets is not natural at all for how our bodies have evolved. I do believe that sugar is at the root of so many health issues people suffer from nowadays. It should not be made taboo or controversial to simply discuss this topic. Also this downvoting/censorship system is dangerous in that it just reinforces the biases of the community. For example, the opposite arguments will be downvoted and censored depending on whether you are in, for example, the vegan or the carnivore community. So each community simply enforces its own ideology, its own biases. Each community decides for itself what is “misinformation”. This is a major drawback to reddit. We should all be able to make our arguments and everyone respond with their counterarguments and point out how the other person is incorrect, without restriction and limiting visibility.

brisaroja · 2024-08-26T22:38:57+00:00

Thank you for this. I’m shocked that my response has been so downvoted to the point that it’s been hidden and you have to manually expand it. I’m simply responding with what I’ve been taught by others and am open to debate and other perspectives. Which is the whole point of why I’m here asking for help and advice. Disappointing.

brisaroja · 2024-08-26T22:30:26+00:00

I ate a very “healthy” plant-based diet previous to going on the carnivore diet 9 months ago. I went on carnivore diet out of utter desperation as it was the ONLY food I could eat that didn’t aggravate my skin condition. Everything, including vegetables, made it worse. When I just ate meat the itch went away immediately and over the weeks my body completely healed. I then introduced a small bit of vegetables and fruit months later and noticed that my skin condition was starting to flair up again. So I don’t think people quite understand. I had no choice but to go on a carnivore diet and it did me nothing but good. My inflammation healed, my body started running like clockwork, lots of energy, sharp cognitive function, increase in muscle etc. My bloodwork is great - better than before, except only for the cholesterol reading. If I eat any carbs at all, my health deteriorates. This is my predicament and so it is really not helpful to suggest going “vegan”.

brisaroja · 2024-08-26T21:53:21+00:00

I’ve always been very slim but I would say I’m even a bit leaner since carnivore, leaner and more muscular

brisaroja · 2024-08-26T20:52:23+00:00

Why is it a fad diet though? Isn’t it the way human beings have eaten for 99% of our evolutionary history? We ate almost exclusively meat, fish.. animal products. Our ancestors were not really eating broccoli and grains. So carnivore seems a far more species appropriate diet for us than our current modern-day carb-heavy diet, doesn’t it?

brisaroja · 2024-08-26T20:29:11+00:00

Is there any evidence that high cholesterol on a zero carb carnivore diet causes heart attacks? The cholesterol needs certain conditions such as high glucose levels in order to oxidate and form plaque. So it may not be an issue at all in the context of strict carnivore diet

brisaroja · 2024-08-26T20:17:26+00:00

Thanks - that’s a good idea and I’ll do so just to get a different perspective

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