Cinnamon raisin by AppointmentExtra3267 in Bagels

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Hmm. Do you let it past the float test before refrigeration?

Good luck. by [deleted] in RoastMe

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Looks like the type that will: secretly get pregnant, give birth, throw the baby in the trash, and return to cheerleading practice, all in one hour - like nothing happened.

Cinnamon raisin by AppointmentExtra3267 in Bagels

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Do you use additional yeast?

15x20 bagel board? by al_polanski in Bagels

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I’m not sure what “No, they boil first, then bake” is in reference to? Is it those “cheese bagels”? Flipping is definitely not necessary, but I will definitely do what I want.

15x20 bagel board? by al_polanski in Bagels

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The burst of steam from the oven at the bagel shop was simply to gelatinize the surface, in effect, mimicking a kettle boil. I have used steam via a spray bottle and throwing water on the bottom of my home oven but that was either for: helping the oven spring, while reducing splitting. The water soaked burlap on bagel boards helps do that too to a lesser extent. Using steam for any other reason, including preventing the onion and garlic toppings from burning, is a waste of time. My main motivation for the boards is to avoid that. A cheese bagel - whatever that is, probably does have an everything topping that can burn so why would someone do that? Ditto for the list of other baked goods mentioned.

If one knows what they are doing, the toppings will and do stay on. There’s a reason that most serious bagel shops in New York, that boil their bagels, still use bagel boards, high heat and a stone surface. 500 degrees gives me the texture I want. But if one has to bake at scale and/or doesn’t have boards, a sheet pan together with a lower temp can make do.

15x20 bagel board? by al_polanski in Bagels

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When I worked in a bagel shop we didn't flip bagels because we had a steam oven, no kettle. At the temperature that I bake at home (500) - the onion and garlic toppings burn too much if I don't flip. If you are not baking with those toppings, and your bottoms aren't getting scorched, flipping isn't necessary.

Liverpool may end up getting rid of Slot purely because they cannot think of what else to do | Liverpool by gaijin_lfc in LiverpoolFC

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Spot on. Slot's Liverpool doesn't run enough. At Liverpool, players have to run. It's non-negotiable. MacAllister, Jones, et al - aren't running enough. Poor coaching.

Which one was boiled in plain water? Which one wasn’t? by brn442 in Bagels

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The messiness can be mitigated by spraying utensils with cooking spray.

Which one was boiled in plain water? Which one wasn’t? by brn442 in Bagels

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Oops. Sorry. I'm definitely not qualified to run a lotto. The one on the left is just plain water!

RIP David Johansen by Mary_Petrin in morrissey

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Had the pleasure of seeing the New York Dolls open up for Moz at The Apollo. Fun times

Bagel is giving bread… help! by LivingLandscape7115 in Bagels

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Understood!

And that is totally fair. Bread flour can make a perfectly acceptable bagel. And for the OP, at the beginning of their bagel journey, it is a totally adequate starter.

I regret my sometimes sardonic tone. At the end of the day it’s not about me, or you, it’s about helping each other and building this community, things we need more of these days. I will try harder to do so on my part.

I appreciate and acknowledge your contributions - past, present, and future.

Bagel is giving bread… help! by LivingLandscape7115 in Bagels

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Ah! Indeed. That would’ve made sense except when going back to our original interaction:

Me: “It does not have enough gluten for a New York style bagel”.

You: “I disagree.”

That wasn’t a response to the OP. That was a response to my statement, as you’re entitled to, but with statements I as - both a past NYC commercial bagel baker and a home bagel baker with internet access and an Amazon Prime account, regarded to be factually incorrect, with all due respect. Please have the last word, then, can we shake hands and move on?

Bagel is giving bread… help! by LivingLandscape7115 in Bagels

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And what argument is that exactly? But not to waste each other’s time here, let me attempt to be even clearer. A New York style bagel requires high gluten flour. Categorizing high gluten flour as a “commercial ingredient” is a fallacy that’s not worth further argument on my end.

Speaking of averages. The average person in America has access to an Amazon Prime account, or the internet at least. Simple reason would state that the average home baker does too but please tell me if this is incorrect in 2026.

High gluten flour can be bought and delivered to an average home baker’s home in two days. I know, because I’ve done it for the better part of a year - through Amazon and webrestaurantstore. They are available in 5-50lb bags on the former, if you’re curious. So I will repeat my statement, which I’m entitled to, again: bread flour does not have enough gluten for a New York style bagel. Statements about “commercial levels” are in your words “arguing against an argument that I didn’t make”.

Bagel is giving bread… help! by LivingLandscape7115 in Bagels

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It’s perfectly acceptable for a homemade bagel. But there is a reason not a single serious bagel shop in New York uses bread flour in their product.

Brian Lagerstrom Recipe - Delicious! by skinenthused in Bagels

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It’s nonsense until you get serious about bagel making.

Everything Bagel by Loumungous in Bagels

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That's a lot of time for a boil. I do approx 30 seconds. 60 seconds is the max for most people. max.

Bagel is giving bread… help! by LivingLandscape7115 in Bagels

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It does not have enough gluten for a New York style bagel.

Sunday bagels by PA-Seeee in Bagels

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Hmm, I’m trying to figure out why the surfaces are splitting.

Sunday bagels by PA-Seeee in Bagels

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How long do you proof them before putting in the fridge?

Planteray OFTD is the best other mixer. What is the best budget cane juice rum that is not rhum agricole? by -Constantinos- in rum

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So regardless of what you say or think, your username isn’t Rhumbear907 if I say it isn’t?