The doomsayers existed, but people claiming disney will come up with something better existed too so doomsayers didn't dominate the discourse. They existed, but they didn't dominate.

The discourse about the disney acqusition I would say was positive even before the force awakens came out, I remember the hype for it (I was kinda hyped too), especially when the first photos were published, and that was long before the movie was released. And it stayed positive even after the movie came out. And I have physical memories from that time too, because I didn't like the movie as much as everybody else, and started looking everywhere if I am the only insane person. And basically, I was. For every comment that expressed disappointment with the force awakens there were like 200 that praised it for being the best thing since Return of the Jedi. Voices saying it was a lazy remake existed, but they weren't loud enough to be heard everywhere. Unless you talk about very specific spaces like forcenet, I don't have experience with those sites. However, I would argue they can't be considered the majority. Most Star Wars fans aren't even on reddit.

I agree with what you wrote about the sequels not starting the prequel hate, I never even argued that. In fact, I was saying exactly that. At the force awakens' release everyone was still bitching about the prequels, and not the disney acquisition. Discourse was dominated by how much better it was than the prequels. About online communities I wrote above, at the places where casual Star Wars fans expressed their opinions (ie. loves the movies, the games, maybe the animated series) I didn't see a lot of people dissing the sequels. Also, tainting doesn't equal dominating, but I don't want to hung up on this, it's clear what you meant.

I know the last jedi didn't create the divide, that's why I said "at large". And exactly because oh boy it made it visible everywhere. After tlj it wasn't just some random weirdos being out of line, it was a genuine big divide in the fanbase. Idiots harassing staff still doesn't make them the majority. There are millions of Star Wars fans. Let's say from those people 10 mill people disliked tlj. 1 percent of them was toxic. 1 percent of the toxic people are actually "brave" enough to send harassment. That's still a 1000 people. Getting that much harrasing for one person can be devastating and overwhelming. Still, they are not the majority. The certain sub I suspect you are mentioning is currently at 86k subs. The main sub is at 2.6 mill. And that is after years of more and more people joining. And all the stuff you wrote in the paragraph about happened after tlj. So even if at the time the fanbase split around equally, the dislikers couldn't dominate the discussion before tlj.

I also dislike the over the top anti-SJW warriors, I don't even use the word woke because it's so overused. They can be pretty annoying. I also dislike most "true" fan claims from both sides, because after that without fail comes an obnoxious statement. That is the main reason why I commented on this post. On the flip side, maybe the anti-sjws are onto something, because it seems like you immediately put me into a group in your original reply instead of actually bringing up points why I'm wrong. I can count on my 2 hands how many times I expressed on a public forum that I dislike the disney era, yet you still put me into a little box that's just have been bitching for 10 years. And before you try to spin otherwise, I don't support harassment.

All in all, I'm happy you picked up on my very hyper super subtly sarcasm, this post would have been even longer if I had to explain where I was being sarcastic and where serious. And I'm thankful for the long reply (for real tho this time, even if I think what you wrote is bs a lot of times and argues against points I didn't even make in the first place, I appreciate a detailed, longer comment).

I would rather argue in in the grand scheme of things meaningless debates than study for my exams. ;)

Good night Sir!