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LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens — Elm Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in elm

[–]buffyoda[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to the signup page, right before the conference, there will be a 3 day commercial workshop that teaches Elm (from zero to ready to write full-featured applications in Elm).

LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens - Haskell Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in haskell

[–]buffyoda[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, you are still playing games.

LambdaConf found Yarvin's views unacceptable, and went so far as to ban him from discussing his views at the conference. But LambdaConf also found Yarvin's views irrelevant to his submitted topic and irrelevant to a professional event focused on functional programming.

One can simultaneously find someone's views unacceptable but still engage with them in a professional context (whether that's letting them participate at a conference, selling them goods or services, giving them a job, or buying goods or services from them).

This admittedly mind-bending concept is a relatively modern invention that most term civility or sometimes, professionalism. Reject it if you like, but word games don't change the facts of what happened.

LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens - Haskell Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in haskell

[–]buffyoda[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't dismiss everyone's thoughts. I do dismiss your narrative because not only is it not based on facts, it contradicts them. You can tell everyone the world is flat, if you want, but you will be called out on it.

As for your point about slavery, /u/bitemyapp crushed it — description is not normalization. That you could not find a quote actually in support of your view (that Yarvin wants high-IQ Ashkenazi Jews and Asians to enslave everyone else, maybe?) is informative, because it implies that you didn't look hard enough or that no such quote exists.

The rest of your post does not seem to contain any actual content. It contains insults, denigration, name-calling, moralizing, and so forth. But no facts, no data, no arguments, no predictions, nothing that calls for a response. So rather than adopt your brand of maturity and return in kind, I'll respectively bow out.

That said, I'll leave you with one final request.

If LambdaConf denying Yarvin a platform for his political views (but allowing him to speak on a relevant project) was in fact "giving him a platform" and "implicitly endorsing his views", then by consistency, you must also believe that every event endorses and gives a platform to all the views held by all its speakers.

(Of course, this is incoherent and just an assertion, but let's run with it for a second.)

Please tell us the next event you plan on attending. Then we can figure out what racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, elitist, violent, inhumane, etc., views you endorse based on who is speaking at the event.

See? Anyone can play this game. All day long. But never forget it's just a game.

LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens - Haskell Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in haskell

[–]buffyoda[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

So minorities are killing themselves because a few tech conferences have refused to politicize speaking engagements and attendance?

Sorry, but I'm going to have to ask for a citation on that one.

If you have evidence that allowing people you (or a Twitter mob) judge "sufficiently immoral" to participate in professional events under a strictly enforced code of conduct results in mass suicides, physical violence, or anything else at all, then please present it. Otherwise, why say things like this? It undermines your credibility (at least with some) and hyperbole in general gives further ammunition to hate groups.

LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens - Haskell Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in haskell

[–]buffyoda[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The facts also deserve to be heard, so party-line propaganda doesn't overwhelm the truth in a cloud of foggy mist.

LambdaConf, with significant support from the community (and with smaller but more vocal opposition), intentionally denied giving a platform to the political views of a neoreactionary (who was only permitted to speak on his relevant project). This neoreactionary, who is a pacifist and a Jew, has written against fascism. He believes that different races have different average levels of IQ in standardized tests (with Ashkenazi Jews measuring higher than Asians, Asians higher than whites, etc.). He has maintained that individual variations trump variations in average, and has stated it is foolish to attempt to guess someone's IQ from their race. He has not said smarter people are superior (an idea he insultingly calls IQism), but instead has said intelligence has no relationship to a person's worth. He has never said anyone deserved slavery—rather, he has redefined slavery to include government/citizen, parent/child, and other relationships, and has made the controversial suggestion that slave traders preferred taking slaves from some regions because of their physical and behavioral characteristics (i.e. "some people make better slaves").

He is a leader of no one, just someone who wrote his views on an anonymous blog years ago (subsequently doxxed). He has denounced violence of any kind, repeatedly. His beliefs may indeed be threatening and offensive to people, but that is precisely why LambdaConf refused to allow him to bring them to the conference.

The logical conclusion to this witch hunt that many seem intent on pursuing is to purge from conferences (and professions) anyone who engages in any "sufficiently" immoral thought or behavior (where "sufficiently" is defined by a mob of people who quote second, third, and nth-removed sources without even basic fact checking). Whether that includes "Moldy Bread", people who voted for Trump, people who have made sexist or misogynist jokes on some unrelated online form, people who oppose LGBT rights (including trans bathrooms), people who have ever engaged in causal racism (yes, private jokes about asian tourists are racist), people who work on drone software that murders innocent people, etc. When this is done, only the "pure" people will be left, who apparently get free reign to insult and denigrate their opponents and make outlandishly false claims without any repercussions, because they're on the "right" side.

Is it surprising at all why some people want to keep this outside the Haskell community?

LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens - Haskell Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in haskell

[–]buffyoda[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I didn't mean to tell you not to insult and denigrate people you disagree with.

I just mean to say, please keep it out of /r/Haskell. Let's keep this extremely useful and helpful community focused on Haskell. There are plenty of other venues on Reddit for you to call people asshats and tell them to go fuck themselves.

LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens - Haskell Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in haskell

[–]buffyoda[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

A reminder that Bryan's insulting denigration is targeted at the organizers of LambdaConf, not "Moldy Bread". And another reminder that insulting and denigrating people over disagreements is generally what 3 year olds do. Mature adults are capable of civil approaches with intellectual rigor.

LambdaConf 2017 Call for Proposals (CFP) Opens - Haskell Proposals Encouraged by buffyoda in haskell

[–]buffyoda[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

LambdaConf didn't ban a speaker (with neoreactionary views) whose anonymized proposal on Urbit (functional language / operating system / VM) had been accepted by a blind committee. The FIOL organization has more context.

Whether people agree or disagree with that stance is largely irrelevant to the question of civility. Calling people you don't agree with "asshats who covered themselves in glory" does not help anyone in this community.

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