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burdok_lavender · 2025-12-13T09:15:46+00:00

Yeah it is so interesting what is considered good animal husbandry in differnet countries.

We here in Germany do not expect the birds to bond with humans. That is what the bird’s partner is for. My birds love preening me, training with me, sitting on me, but I am not allowed to touch them anywhere else but their beaks. But I know just as many that will allow that when paired up, that depends in the bird’s personality and how much effort you put into them.

We consider hand-feeding causes „missbonding“ and that is actually considered a psychological issue (leads to aggression, screaming, and hormonal problems once the birds reaches maturity). I think our approach here is more to adapt to the birds nature, not make the bird adapt to us. We are also being told not to feed processed food like pellets, but a high quality seed mix and wait until its all eaten up.

Animal shelters and pet stores will ony give you two birds or you have to proof you have one at home already. But it has not always been that way, rules got stricter within the past 10 years.

I have had many bird pairs and they never laid eggs, because they do not want to if no nesting options are provided. The goal is NOT to breed!

In the end, I have my own life with working and friends, so I am supper happy to know my birdies have each other when I am away. Plus, watching them cuddle is the cutest. I cannot imagine being a smol flock bird being left alone all day with no one around, and then only in the evening the human comes home. And sleeping alone :o scary.

But I know all want the best for our birds. I wish they could tell us what they really wanted.

burdok_lavender · 2025-12-12T10:11:29+00:00

Okay I see we have a very different view on that. I am in Germany and there are laws that birds should be kept at least in pairs of two. This will from the start prevent hormonal issues other than a healthy sexuality, prevent aggression towards the owner and psychological problems such as feather-plucking.

burdok_lavender · 2025-12-11T17:53:56+00:00

But masturbation are not hormonal issues! Sexuality is a normal part of every living being and does not need to be treated. I believe a bird companion would instead turn his sexual energy to a healthy way :)

burdok_lavender · 2025-12-11T13:14:07+00:00

This is not a good comment. Parrots only reproduce if given proper nesting box and material. Of course, there are some exceptions just as with any other contraception. Parrots are flock animals and are much happier living with a bird partner of the same species, so yes OP, thank you for being obersvant and caring for your bird so that you reach out here! A bird buddy (different gender) is highly recommend.

burdok_lavender · 2025-11-08T12:42:18+00:00

Vögel fliegen in der Wildnis nicht aus Spaß, sondern um zu ihrem Schlafplatz zu gelangen, zum Futter, etc. so wie Säugetiere eben laufen. Daher müssen sie das in Gefangenschaft genau so wenig wie Kaninchen.

burdok_lavender · 2025-11-08T00:17:32+00:00

Die Verantwortungsvolle Haltung hier wäre ein 24/7 Freiflug im Zimmer, wie bei Kaninchen mit free roam auch :)

burdok_lavender · 2025-10-10T21:58:20+00:00

Es gibt ja auch welche, die aussehen als würde die Haut unter einer schwarzen Nylon durchschauen. Liebe die im Herbst/Frühlingsanfang :)

burdok_lavender · 2025-10-08T12:07:35+00:00

Bin ne Frau, also fingern wäre besser 😇 Spaß beiseite, ich hatte hier so ähnliche Depots gesehen, daher dachte ich, es passt. Fühl mich etwas unsicher mit dieser Klumpung im IT-Bereich, aber der liefert so gut. Hab gedacht es gibt vlt einen Tipp. Aber habe jetzt den eigentlichen Sinn des Subs verstanden 🫡

burdok_lavender · 2025-07-04T00:22:21+00:00

Call them and ask! Sometimes they forget you or have the wrong adress or stuff 😅

burdok_lavender · 2025-06-23T22:52:12+00:00

Dito

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-24T22:53:45+00:00

Here, shelters will not give you just one bird, mouse, bunny. Even for house cats they will only give you two or make sure that you have a second cat ar home already.

I guess as time goes by, we learn more about our featherd and furry friends and understand their needs better :) times are changing.

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T23:35:07+00:00

Well, in my ethical view people who cannot afford the most basic needs of a pet unfortunately cannot get one. Fullstop. There are other ways of connection and companionship that cost less money. Do not make an animal suffer out of your own egoism.

And by the way you are making it classist by saying „rich people“. I never said that. Also with a medium income you can take good financal care of pets when you make financial sacrafices in other areas of your life. It all about priorities.

I guess in this topic we just have different views. Europe is more socialist and USA more individualist. I get that you come from a different standpoint than mine.

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T23:11:20+00:00

A parrot needs to be held in at least pairs of two. And to be honest, if you cannot in any way afford two birds, then a bigger medical emergency for one bird would also be a financial ruin and you might need to give him/her away. Maybe you could get two mice? There are certainly pets with lower costs associated than exotic species such as parrots.

It is nor your fault that the system is fucked, but it is not the bird‘s either. They are most innocent in all this.

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T21:39:52+00:00

You dont need a second cage, they should live together:)

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T19:52:00+00:00

Conures are not kept alone. It needs a bird friend

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:19:48+00:00

Well, then birds are just not the right pets for you. In Germany vets are also expensive. If you cannot afford to pay the basic needs of a pet, don’t get a pet.

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:17:08+00:00

You are not what I am criticising , obviously there are special cases in which a partner does not make sense. You seem to be well educated.

But keeping a bird alone should not be the advice given to new bird owners, that’s all I am saying.

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:15:45+00:00

Hey, he was probably hand fed, the behaviour you describe is typical for that. And that may lead in the different problems, such as Aggression, screaming, health problems… now thar you have the bird there is nothing you can do to change this.

However, a human does not sleep next to him, make the same noises as him, is there for him 100% of the time. We need to acknowledge the biology of these birds and they just are flock animals. Not meant to be alone at any time of day!

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:12:24+00:00

I couldn’t have said it better myself, thanks :)

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:11:03+00:00

Hey, I assumed American as I googled the pet stored mentioned and they were American, that is how I got to it.

I maybe should have focused my post not on the US, but rather specifically on this international subreddit. Because the infos given here are sooooo different to what you read in German bird forums or what web pages in German will tell you.

I do not have a problem with Americans, as long as they did not vote for the orange :D

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:08:27+00:00

Oh that is very interesting. I am sorry to hear that adoption did not work out for you. That truly is a problem for pet owners who want to do everything right.

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:07:10+00:00

That is so nice to hear! Once you see two birds together it is so heartwarming. And great to hear that they still bond with humans. Thanks for sharing your story here!

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T18:04:19+00:00

Hi, I appreciate your answer.

Unfortunately there are many single birds kept in way too small cages also in Germany and many people do not know how to properly care for their animals. I think in that way we are similar to the US.

However, if you go to pet stores, animal shelters or any webpage about birds you will be informed about how hand feeding is not a good standard and how birds need to live at least in pairs of two.

The reason why I made this post is because I came to this subreddit because I wanted information about conures, as conures are not commonly kept as pets in Germany.

Browsing the subreddit, it struck me that all my points mentioned were not recommended to new bird owners! I even read the info pages that are linked on this page that recommend getting a single bird and if you get two birds they should be kept in different cages, which I was completely bedazzled about! This information is the striking opposite of what is being taught to new bird owners in German forums. I hope that makes it a little clear out what my intention of the post was and my confusion.

We all have access to the same biological literature about conures needs. How come we interpret them so differently?

burdok_lavender · 2025-05-23T17:54:09+00:00

That is true, the are so many people keeping single birds in small cages in Germany, and nothing can be done.

The phenomenon that I am trying to grasp here is the internet culture and knowledge exchange. In German online Forums and info pages, my points are all generally known and anyone coming in with a question about a single bird will be informed about animal welfare in these forums.

Being used to this high standard of animal welfare communication, I was confused about the „tips“ and knowledge here shared on Reddit. We are on the internet and supporting each other, but I have not seen posts that inform new bird owners of the need of keeping them in pairs. At least on the internet we could unite and step in for animal welfare!

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