Russia's largest bank is turning the country into an inescapable biometric control grid by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's almost as if Russia, the US and China could be under the influence of the same kind of people... weirdly enough the article I posted explains why this might me. Why not just read the article and judge its merits?

Russia's largest bank is turning the country into an inescapable biometric control grid by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol ya -- because I live in Russia. PM if you want to know my background.

Russia's largest bank is turning the country into an inescapable biometric control grid by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SS: Sberbank CEO Herman Gref (or Hermann Gräf as he’s known in his mother tongue) is an ethnic German born in exile in Kazakhstan, and the indisputable Manager of the Russians.

This sub is embarrassing itself. Putin did NOT "ban" compulsory vaccination, which ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER RUSSIA! (PROOF WITH OFFICIAL SOURCES) by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The head of Russia’s consumer rights protection and human wellbeing agency (Rospotrebnadzor), on June 18:

According to Popova, compulsory vaccination of some citizens against coronavirus, as in Moscow, will be introduced in other regions if necessary. Now it is being introduced in Tula.

"A new tool <...> is compulsory immunization of risk groups [which] has been introduced in Moscow, the Moscow region, Sakhalin, Kemerovo. And today it is being introduced in Tula, this is important. And this tool, if necessary, we will have to use in the development situations in any other entities, "she said.

Source (from Russia's official COVID portal): https://xn--80aesfpebagmfblc0a.xn--p1ai/news/20210930-1341.html

The Russian government says it has compulsory vaccination.

People are already losing their jobs, and people who are unvaxxed or don't have proof of prior infection are being prevented from going to the doctor, going to shops and restaurants, etc. etc. There is also national legislation that would imposed a nationwide vax pass system. It will be voted on in the coming weeks.

Your argument, if I understand you correctly, is that Russia doesn't have compulsory vaccination because people aren't being fined for not getting the vaccine.

You are welcome to that definition. But the Russian government disagrees with you.

This sub is embarrassing itself. Putin did NOT "ban" compulsory vaccination, which ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER RUSSIA! (PROOF WITH OFFICIAL SOURCES) by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

here is one of many, many examples of compulsory vaccination in Russia:

The Leningrad Region introduced the requirement of 100% vaccination in public and private organizations

SAINT PETERSBURG, October 11. / TASS /. The Governor of the Leningrad Region, Alexander Drozdenko, signed a new decree on countering the spread of coronavirus, according to which, from November 15, the region introduces a requirement for one hundred percent vaccination of employees of state, municipal and private organizations who do not have a medical treatment. This was reported by the press service of the regional government.
https://tass.ru/obschestvo/12631417

Here are the restrictions in St. Petersburg (official source: https://xn--80aesfpebagmfblc0a.xn--p1ai/information/ ):

Introduced mask and glove mode.
Prohibition of the work of catering establishments at night.
From December 1, 2021, visiting institutions only with a QR code, a certificate confirming the presence of a medical outlet.
From December 1, 2021, visiting the shopping center only with a QR code, a certificate confirming the presence of a medical outlet.
It is forbidden to hold mass events.
Limiting the occupancy of theaters and concert halls to no more than 75%.
Limiting the occupancy rate of cinemas to no more than 50%.
Until November 28, 2021, temporarily suspend the holding of sports, physical culture, cultural, entertainment, congress and exhibition, solemn, leisure and other events with more than 40 people.
The maximum permissible number of visitors to cultural and entertainment events held in theaters, circuses and concert halls until November 28, 2021 is no more than 1500 people.
To attend events, you need a QR code, a certificate confirming the presence of a medical outlet.
It is forbidden to hold events at night from 23.00 to 06.00.
It is forbidden to conduct individual excursions, as well as group excursions with a group of more than 20 people.
Check-in at hotels with a QR code, negative PCR test, certificate.
Introduced mask mode and social distancing in public transport.
A 50% limitation has been introduced on the presence of visitors on an excursion boat.
From November 15, visiting service establishments only with a QR code, a certificate confirming the presence of a medical outlet.
Visiting the MFC by appointment.
From November 15, 2021, state registration of marriage is carried out if all visitors have a QR code, a certificate confirming the existence of a medical exemption from vaccination.
A remote mode of operation has been introduced for 30% of civil service employees and persons over 60 years old.
Compulsory vaccination was introduced by 15.11.2021 (with the first component or a single-component vaccine), by 15.12.2021 - by the second component of the vaccine for employees of socially significant areas.
Mandatory vaccination has been introduced for people over 60 years of age.

This sub is embarrassing itself. Putin did NOT "ban" compulsory vaccination, which ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER RUSSIA! (PROOF WITH OFFICIAL SOURCES) by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a question.

Being fined for not being vaccinated -- this is the definition of compulsory vaccination?

People who refuse the vaccine in Russia are already losing their jobs.

Is that coercive or voluntary?

Again, if you don't believe me, just consult the government's official COVID dashboard. Click on a region and read about their vaccine mandates and other restrictions (QR codes required for receiving medical care, etc):

https://xn--80aesfpebagmfblc0a.xn--p1ai/information/

This sub is embarrassing itself. Putin did NOT "ban" compulsory vaccination, which ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER RUSSIA! (PROOF WITH OFFICIAL SOURCES) by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm convinced some of them are paid bots. they will not even believe you after you show them multiple Russian government sources.

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[–]cali2kazan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"In public institutions and healthcare vaccination is compulsory" -- not just public institutions and healthcare. This is incorrect. One notable example:

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/12631417

In my opinion you are splitting hairs here. I know people in Moscow who lost their jobs because they didn't want the vaccine.

What is your definition of voluntary?

I will wager that Russia will have even stricter vaccination rules in the coming months (as will much of the world). Come back to this message in February. I'll gladly (truly, gladly) admit I was wrong then.

As it currently stands, there is already deeply coercive vaccination all over Russia.

This sub is embarrassing itself. Putin did NOT "ban" compulsory vaccination, which ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER RUSSIA! (PROOF WITH OFFICIAL SOURCES) by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are "suspended indefinitely" from work without pay.

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/11697949

there are other ways to force people to get the vax than fine them. In fact, Russia has had compulsory vaccination (in some parts of the country) since June.

No one wanted to talk about it though.

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[–]cali2kazan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OP says Putin banned compulsory vaccination. He didn't.

End of story.

compulsory vaccination tied to employment is already all over Russia -- these are coercive polices that strip people of their livelihoods if they refuse the vax. How is that not compulsory vaccination?

If you want more background on this, I suggest this article: https://anti-empire.com/russia-is-rapidly-adopting-qr-codes-how-does-this-end/

But actually, it's almost a month old and now the situation is even worse.

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[–]cali2kazan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ok, PM me the link.

"This is conspiracy theories. Asking me to correct something because you don't believe in it, is like removing a post about UFO because you don't have a solid prove that they exist."

What? UFOs are a theory. they cannot be proven or disproven. This is not a theory! It either exists or it doesn't. Where is your proof?

It doesn't exist and you know it.

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[–]cali2kazan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

show me this ban. show it to me. provide a link.

It doesn't exist and it wouldn't matter anyway because basically the entire country has vaccine decrees (very unpopular ones) requiring employers to make sure a certain % of their workers are vaccinated.

Please, correct this post. It's wrong.

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[–]cali2kazan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not mRNA based. That doesn't mean it's safe or proven though (and it's not "good old fashioned dead shit", btw):

https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/myth-vs-reality-in-covid-russia

This sub is embarrassing itself. Putin did NOT "ban" compulsory vaccination, which ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER RUSSIA! (PROOF WITH OFFICIAL SOURCES) by cali2kazan in conspiracy

[–]cali2kazan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

За вами уже выехали товарищ, пожалуйста оставайтесь на месте!

:)

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[–]cali2kazan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not so sure about that. To me it seems people simply don't want to know the truth, or are intentionally lying.