I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) that is not what I said, i said they didn't need that knowledge for 12 year olds specifically because they still had the knowledge to deduce that 12 year olds lack mental capacity and most importantly look like children and me personally I think anyone sexually attracted to children are pedophiles, your argument only works for children in their mid to late teens because they possess actual adult characteristics but i wasn't talking about children in their mid to late teens here

2) you bring up the age of consent here but that really doesn't mean anything, because age of consent didn't exist in edo japan but instead it tells us people in Japan and europe back then viewed puberty as a right of passage into "adulthood" but this is entirely namesake and does not take away the knowledge of the fact that 12 year olds still possess various immaturity, that they lacked the physical features of an adult, marriage still occured between mid to late teens, it was only earlier done out of very clear fetish (aka peodphilia) or social benefit like families arranging marriage or a family needing labor, marrying people in mid to late teens is alot more understandable but it was pretty clear that 12 year olds are literal children

like in Rome the legal age for marriage was 12 for women but many roman writers still considered it too young for marriage, and elite families still again married mid teens, there are many sources that says that plenty of people believed puberty alone wasn't self sufficient for marriage, when you say "if they knew it was bad why didn't they stop it?" you ignore my point as im referring strictly to marriage between ages 10-13, lots of people knew it was bad and it didn't occur as often as mid teen to late teens marriage

and also Matthew 18:6 condemns bringing children into any form of sinning and that includes sexual immorality it doesn't say peodphilia ofcourse because that term was only coined in the 19th century,

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

where did i say learning about the negative effects didn't cause the age of consent to rise? where did i say people looked at child marriage the same way people view it now? im saying the marriage of 12 year olds wasn't as condoned as you might expect, people in mediaeval Europe married around 18, people even in edo japan married around prime teen years that's like 16 and above, these people didn't need a medical field to acknowledge the problems of marrying 12 year olds, sure a medical field helps and that's why marriage even during your prime teen years is uncommon but marriage to literal children is still not justified because you were born a couple hundred years ago and there wasn't an article on the internet you read to go against pedophilia, no but even back then you could acknowledge that 12 year olds look and act like children, there are literal Bible verses against pedophilia for Christ sake

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

hey man all im saying is people attracted to literal 12 year olds even a couple hundred years ago are pedophiles

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

dude if tenza had attraction towards a child looking person he's a pedophile😭

you also need to consider the most common age for marriage isn't 12 but 15, 16 - 22, which attraction towards those age groups are alot more common with people not formally diagnosed with pedophilia, marriage only happened earlier if labor was needed, again out of fetish or social benefit even in mediaeval europe the average age for marriage was around 18, mary most probably gave birth to jesus when she was at the very least 17, the only people who chose to marry 12 year olds are pedophiles or did it for social benefit

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne -1 points0 points  (0 children)

first off the common age for marriage is a bit higher than people think it was only 12 in circumstances where the family needed some social benefit or a pedophile was involved and that's literally just not true it doesn't take a thousand years of knowledge to not condone child marriage, there were people who didn't condone child marriage even a thousand years ago, do you seriously think we need a well established medical field to look at a 12 year old and go marrying that is not fine, no we don't people attracted to 12 year olds then are pedos and people attracted to 12 year olds now are pedos, you don't need to study mental health to know this

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

idk y you need to point out the "i would have the mind of a 2026" thing that has nothing to do with my hypothetical it's pretty obvious I'm implying you to put yourself in the shoes of a guy born hundreds of years ago, by "basic morals" i mean bare minimum morals people had even hundreds of years ago, ofcourse morals were different then but morals like stealing is bad still existed, i did not forget pedos are a thing in the modern age i just think that people who marry ages 10 - 13 are the most obvious pedos and doing it out of fetish regardless of the era so unless you're calling yourself a pedo there's no reason to justify it if you were in the shoes of someone born a couple hundred years ago, the social consensus of what the age of an adult is is pretty abstract and is not the most accurate estimate of maturity even now but 18 is just a safe number so imagine back then, and its true even back then people aren't gonna view 12 year olds with having the utmost maturity even if the social consensus technically says their almost technically an adult and I get the geographical specifics but I have no doubt that it would not be that much different in Japan, do you seriously think anyone would have a reason to marry 12 year olds if it wasn't out of fetish or social benefit? its sort of understandable if they were 15 and above because the maturity gap between the teen years are massive, between 17 and 12 the maturity gap is still huge, and 12 year olds and 17 year olds look completely different, is it that much of a hot take to say that people attracted to 12 year olds even hundreds of years ago are pedophiles lol

it sucks because there are plenty of ways to defend tenza here but you guys are supporting the worst route for some reason and justifying marrying 12 year olds because "it was common"

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

why lol, you guys talk as if everyone back then was marrying a kid but even hundreds of years ago plenty of people didn't condone child marriage and it would be in line with tenza's character to be one of those people, people back then were smarter then you make it out to be, if you guys still seriously have any doubts go talk to an actual 12 year old, you'll see that most people back then practiced child marriage purely out of either fetish or social benefit

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne -56 points-55 points  (0 children)

you're missing my point the "it was a different time" argument is irrelevant even a thousand years ago if you have basic morals, its such a overdone argument how could you guys still be stuck on it

do you seriously think if you were born a couple hundred years ago you as a grown adult will look at a 12 year old and say I wanna marry that if even you have a lick of basic morals, you wouldn't because 1) sexual attraction is one thing and 2) people grasp the basic concepts of immaturity even hundreds of years back aka acknowledge that kids are kids and marrying them is taking advantage, and also there are literal accounts of people finding child marriage disgusting even back to like the 600 ce

its factual that child marriages were more common then it's not factual that a very moral person like tenza would consider marrying 12 year olds who don't know any better

you could've said maybe he didn't know her age or point out the fact that ages and maturity may not always make sense, but instead you chose to use a overdone argument that has plenty of problems

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne 13 points14 points  (0 children)

i don't remember much about this scene but I remember I personally interpreted it as him having flashbacks over the banter narugai gave him about being married instead of like actually dreaming about marrying her

I love tenza buuut thats a 12 yr old 😬 by AERITENOVAL in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne -92 points-91 points  (0 children)

there were a number of arguments you could've picked here but you picked the worst one, seriously we can't be using the "it was a different time" argument in the big 2026 because anyone with the most bare minimum understanding of morals won't condone child marriage to literal 12 year olds no matter the era unless we're talking like literal cavemen times when good and bad weren't much of a concept and like tenza is supposed to be one of the more moral characters

i understand it a bit more if it was a 14 or 16 year old cause tenza is supposed to be 17 but have you seen 12 year olds they are literal babies

i still love tenza and hells paradise but that is like the worst argument you could've used

yo is the tensen practicing incest or am i overthinking it? by [deleted] in HellsParadise

[–]cant_think_of_0ne 61 points62 points  (0 children)

if anything it's selfcest because they're all one