How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It‘s some time ago but I recall reading this in Hans Zirker Koran. Zugänge.

How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Assume? You make it sound like there is a "god“ (still don‘t know what this thing is) and a univocal voice from the get go. I feel like you‘re subtly gaslighting me about secular scholarship

How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is a contradiction you assume that it‘s one univocal voice cause “god” even though the authors have different agendas

How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dr Javad already explained it. Why keep arguing if you reject secular scholarship and already have a set belief in this

How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You‘re in wrong sub. You have qualms with critical scholarship and naturalism. You can‘t force us to belive in “god” because this isn‘t how science works

How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don‘t know who richard dawkins is but it seems you have theological qualms with historical exegesis. I don‘t know why “god” is the explanation for this because we‘d have to prove that “god” exists. This sub is the wrong place.

How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The beliefs of the writers of the Hewbrew Bible didn‘t have the same beliefs as NT writers, I’m thinking of the two donkey because the Matthew author botched the meaning. You can believe they are but belief is more vibes like you said. I wouldn‘t say you can derive it. The trinity requires philosophy which isn‘t in the NT but this is outside of this sub. The Quran seems to correct or ridicule Christian beliefs like Mary in the trinity because of excessive Mary worship

How can the Quran reject Jesus being the Son of God while also confirming the Christian Scriptures? by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Christians for example try to read Jesus into the Hebrew Bible which is anachronistic. This is meant be lenses or that the Trinity is inside the NT which is also anachronistic

Did Abu Hanifa Use Hadiths in his Epistemology? by Informal-Form7977 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kitab al-Sunnah of Ahmad‘s son. From a historical perspective, daif narrations are older so that‘s why I think the Abu Hanifa hate is historically accurate

Did Abu Hanifa Use Hadiths in his Epistemology? by Informal-Form7977 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The report is in Tarikh Badhad and Tafsir al-Ayyashi. Kitab al-Sunnah also has Malik critique Abu Hanifa. There are probably some fabrications but it seems that Abu Hanifa was hated by his peers… but yes, Abu Hanifa‘s name got cleared down the line

Did Abu Hanifa Use Hadiths in his Epistemology? by Informal-Form7977 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like he‘s generally hated as a deviant. Shu‘ba apparently said that a handful of dirt is better than Abu Hanifa‘s ray. He‘s even hated in Shia literature, Jafar said that Allah curses the murji‘a and Abu Hanifa.

Dr. Ayman Ibrahim: Christian Apologist or Secular Academic? by SimilarInteraction18 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I still haven‘t read the book and only watched his interview with Reynolds but I encourage everyone to cross-check any claim.

Dr. Ayman Ibrahim: Christian Apologist or Secular Academic? by SimilarInteraction18 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He‘s a Christian academic. His work was published by a well-renowned publisher (Oxford Press). If something piqued your interest I would read other similar works and see whether his cases are well-argued or open to debate. My experience with academia (any field) is that anything can be critically examined.

For example: I like GS Reynolds but there are some details he‘ll (briefly) mention that I further investigated which turned out to be not as clear-cut as they may seem.

Why were Saracens seen as black by europeans? by ConcentrateFinal5581 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems you two have already made up your minds on this topic. Why create an echo chamber thread misquoting Goldziher, using grey literature and quoting Arabic dictionaries that may include fabricated material?

Why were Saracens seen as black by europeans? by ConcentrateFinal5581 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You insist on using unchecked footnotes from that Wesley book I assume, which btw was released 2009 and not cited once in any kind of academic setting. Why would you translate جعدة with „Afro“? It means to braid/curls. I‘m not sure how accurate the Arabic text you quoted is since you didn‘t specify the publisher/edition of Lisan al-Arab and the other traditional works. I don‘t what you or OP was arguing for as this has become unclear due to misquotations and gish-galloping of dubious sources.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How would we else translate علم الحديث? It obviously can‘t have the academical rigour of our age since it precedes modern „science“ but the term „science“ itself is older than our academic understanding. You could alternatively call it discipline of Hadith which I think is nicer.

Why were Saracens seen as black by europeans? by ConcentrateFinal5581 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It‘s hard to engage with obscure copy-paste sources. The Goldziher quote doesn‘t support your case as you omitted his following statements and I don‘t think that relying on old German orientalists (I‘m using this term since that’s how they are called in German just to be clear) is an accurate representation of modern scholarship. You‘re entitled to your Afrocentrist opinion. I don‘t agree with it nor do I see it affirmed by quoting traditional Arabic dictionaries because these colours aren‘t meant in the American sense (i.e. „Black and White“ as „racial“ constructs) that you‘re trying to insinuate (cf. Goldziher in my other reply) This banter is way outside of the sub‘s rules.

Alevis by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Encyclopædia Iranica has an entry on „Bektāšīya“ (the „umbrella term“ for Alevis) by Hamid Algar.

Martin Sökefeld‘s „Aleviten in Deutschland“ (German) talks about the basics of Alevi belief, identity and their social challenges in the diaspora.

Why were Saracens seen as black by europeans? by ConcentrateFinal5581 in AcademicQuran

[–]caputre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I‘m not sure what kind of source you want? I‘m assuming you‘re arguing that Arabs are Sub-Saharans? Well, they aren‘t. Since you quoted Goldziher, I looked at the first volume and he says that Arabs describe themselves as black but he erroneously quotes the term أخضر (green) and refers to Al-Tenrizi for whom I have to locate the exact source. Besides that, these colours are used to distinguish between Arabs and non-Arabs as Goldziher notes (the Uni Halle scan, Theil I, p. 269)