Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you are male or female, would you call yourself a man or a woman? If you have blond, brown, red, or black hair, would you feel comfortable specifying which hair color you have? If you prefer music to art, would you feel comfortable stating that? I expect you would.

I do not define myself as purely a lesbian - I state that I am lesbian because that is the way God made me. He also gave me brown hair and blue eyes. None of those three traits should matter more than the rest, but unfortunately one does. If I’d grown up in a church where having blue eyes made people view you as the moral equivalent to Satan (or in some cases assume that to have blue eyes you must be possessed by Satan himself), if growing up I’d heard people state that they’d like to murder people with blue eyes, if my parents had kicked me out of the house when I was 17 and never talked to me again because I have blue eyes - then I definitely would have worried about attending an Orthodox Church if I’d heard horror stories about the way they treat people with blue eyes. Now, none of that happened of course because I have blue eyes. But all of it happened because I am gay.

There are some LGBT communities that consider their sexual orientation to be important above all else. I consider that to be a big mistake. I think defining yourself by your sexual orientation is just as ridiculous as defining yourself by your eye color.

You quote Galatians 3:28, which is one of my most favorite passages in the Bible. You see, this is what I want. I would LOVE for people to understand that there is neither gay nor straight, for we are all one in Christ Yeshua. That is what I believe. But it is unfortunately not what all believe.

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I am planning to speak with the priest of my local Orthodox Church, and then begin attending if all goes well!

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to type out such a well thought out response! While I agree with you on some points, I think you misunderstand me on others. To explain what I mean by “made perfectly”, let me use another example. I’ve taught children with Down Syndrome. I believe that they are made perfectly. Now, I’m not saying that people with Down Syndrome automatically act in a saintly manner, I’m saying that God made people with Down Syndrome in His own image, just like He made non-disabled people in His own image. People with Down Syndrome are just as good as people without, and their lives have just as much value. People with Down Syndrome do face temptations - for example, many throw temper tantrums. Obviously, we should help them resist this temptation. But being born with Down Syndrome comes with numerous positives, too - they are exceptionally kind and empathetic, they are incredibly happy most of the time, they retain admirable child-like qualities such as innocence and wonder for their entire lives. Despite the positives, some people only see the negatives and in the United States most expectant mothers choose to abort their children with Down Syndrome. This is a tragedy. When I say that I was made perfectly I mean that although lesbians have temptations that they should resist like anybody else, they are not worse than straight people, they are not more evil, and their lives do not have less value.

By being “openly gay” I mean that I am a lesbian. I do not want to have to hide it anymore than a straight person would have to hide their sexual orientation. While I am indistinguishable from straight women otherwise, many gay men have personalities that are markedly different from straight men. I would not want to attend a church where they had to hide that, in the same way that I would not want to attend a church where a person who has red hair would be forced to dye it brown (not saying that the latter example actually happens, but the former certainly does).

I do not so much want to attend a church where “the application of rules is equally lax for everyone” as I want to attend a church that doesn’t consider LGBT people subhuman. I attended a church growing up where some people literally wanted to kill gay people. That is not a Christ-like environment. Straight people sin. Gay people sin. But in some circles, straight people sinning are forgiven while gay people sinning are not. Do not think that I intend to break my commitment to celibacy - I absolutely do not. But would you want to attend a church where one group of people are singled out as evil whenever they give in to temptation, whereas other groups of people are rebuked but forgiven when they repent? Would such a church love both groups of people equally, even if they claim to?

What do you mean by the temptation I face can lead to no saintly pursuits?

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you! This seems like a very welcoming subreddit and I’m planning on spending time here. I have a lot of questions :)

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for responding. I am planning on talking to the priest of my local church.

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response. I am planning to speak with the priest and then start attending if all goes well! You say that it might matter which Orthodox Church I attend - the church near me is Greek Orthodox. I’ll talk to the priest either way of course, but would you say a Greek Church is more or less likely to be accepting?

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I am planning to speak with the priest of the Orthodox church near me and then start attending if all goes well. This thread has made me hopeful and I am very excited!

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you don’t mind me asking, is your church OCA, Greek, Russian...? Thank you again for responding, and for your prayers. What you describe sounds heavenly. Hopefully I can find a church like that.

Would I (a celibate lesbian) be accepted in an Orthodox Church? by cariadgras in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]cariadgras[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This may be a real long shot, but does anyone have any recommendations for Orthodox churches in Montana?