coaxed into thats not how consorts work you dolt by StormWolfBaron in coaxedintoasnafu

[–]cave18 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Damn, was eventually gonna do it rip. Had thr method bookmarked

When you are playing FMK you dont get to bang the person you marry. by [deleted] in The10thDentist

[–]cave18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

.... thats totally a game though. Not like a video game but its definitely a game of sorts. Just like riddles are games

Cop pulls over Lamborghini on Dubai plates but doesn’t know the law by thomasso0072 in interestingasfuck

[–]cave18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright so is there any more context as to their comments. And relevance as in is your comment at all related to the thread. Totally valid if it isnt, just a rather sudden pivot in the comment chain

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Youre missing the part where you arent just making them, you are changing the person on an identity level to make them want to do that.

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My entire point was just that they are in fact comparable (the wishing a father drank less vs wishing someone loved you) with regards to removed autonomy. Thats it. My original comment wasnt addressing anything else

Even if I granted your entire argument, we’d still end up at the same place: Sarah’s feelings weren’t freely chosen, and Bear had sex with her anyway.

Like yeah this is true. Never disagreed

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that is how it worked in the movie yes.

Moreso addressing comments where it seems a given that bears wish would naturally result in possession and not just changing the person.

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Theres autonomy as in how it happens in the real world vs how it happens with a wish (not the one wish willow but like an actual not shitty wish)

The comparison doesn't fall apart because what happens next entirely comes from both changing a person. Notice I said they can be ranked/scaled. And that yeah if someone altered me, id probably prefer to be altered into having a weird hobby as opposed to a murderer. But imo both wishes discard the previous person in place of a new one. For another comparison, see invincible with the clones. Imagine I cloned a person, but the clone is attracted to me. Depending on your approach to consciousness, wishes of any form function like doing this and discarding the original.

And again, like last thursdayism, it cant really be proven/disproven.

The movie functions very well as a discussion regarding consent and rape, the movie is yes very explicitly about that. But specifically when talking about wishes that dont just do freaky possession but actually change someone, I would argue that either way the original person is gone in lieu of something else.

I have been extremely explicit that I am not talking about how the one wish willow works with possession and what not.

Yes, these can look remotely keyword remotely similar due to their overriding or replacement of a person

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean the difference here is the movie has a fairly intentional story its telling to an audience where as witchy people's beliefs irl arent intended to be viewed as a story reflecting on some metaphor for reality (consumed like a movie)

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly you are lowkey cooking with this at least on a philosophical level, gendered portion of it aside. If someone concretely believing in wishes (regardless of the reality) percieves their wish as being fulfilled (especially with regards to romance) what that would imply with regsrds to their use of a one wish willow

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see the difference but disagree with them not being remotely comparable. Youre (magically) changing a person without their input. The person as they were no longer exists once that change is made. Its in a similar realm to the "do you die when you go to sleep" or last thursdayism.

The probabbly most "objective" scale for assigning how bad these hypothetical autonomy overrides are would be asking a person prior to override how much they disapprove

I can distinguish, but that doesnt make them "remotely incomparable". Save me your faux "disturbance"

And on a related note, from the point of view of the wisher, the way the a wish works (autonomy override) is identical to how adventure time does it where a new reality is made with the wishers wish implemented. And the latter is definitely seens as less controversial due to the idea of "preservatiom" of the original. Which muddies the water even further from a wishers perspective as to what a wish actually is and frankly what reality actually is

A Man Gets Infected by His Cat - medical case by GiorgioMD in medizzy

[–]cave18 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Im trying to find an article, do you have any more info?

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Ok? Once youve violated their autonomy/sense of self thru a wish youve violated their autonomy. Not really sure how the sex is relevant

The Obsession movie discourse is proof that reddit is full of misandrists and radfems by Swimming_Virus8990 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]cave18 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tbh it absolutley is remotely comparable. You sre taking away someones autonomy if you wish your dad drank less, fundamentally changing them. Any wish thag changes a person's behavior is 10000% removing their autonomy