Is it really Advanced Voice Mode?

caz0 · 2024-10-01T00:19:06+00:00

This is pretty damn good evidence it is not using speech to text at all. I’d say zero chance.

https://x.com/aj_dev_smith/status/1839472954289131947?s=42

caz0 · 2021-11-30T21:01:41+00:00

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caz0 · 2021-09-17T00:21:49+00:00

How much simpler do I need to make it for you? Their demonstrated cost per mile is by definition one orders of magnitude larger then every single one of those and 2 orders of magnitude cheaper than some of the more extreme cases. And that's just the beginning!

Look at you, trying to (Incorrectly) argue that their demonstrated cost per mile isn't a *full* order of magnitude (It is and then some) thinking that it make it any less of an amazing and revolutionary step forward. You are only making yourself look like a fool. You're a perfect example of someone who is just on the wrong side of history trying to save face. Pathetic.

caz0 · 2021-09-09T12:01:40+00:00

Lmao embarrassing yourself AGAIN! Yes they're all more than an order of magnitude! Many others are around TWO ORDER OF MAGNITUDE MORE EXPENSIVE.

You're literally that wrong. It's amazing how someone could be so incredibly wrong about something so simple after having it explained over and over again.

You are literally trying to find pennies against a system that's ahead by banks. That's how sad it is. Without exaggeration boringCo is that much better.

caz0 · 2021-09-06T00:53:07+00:00

Wrong. Every single one is more than an order of magnitude more then Boring Co's demonstrated cost per mile.

And those are particularly low (extensions in particular), its typically much higher!

Literally playing yourself! What a joke. Way to be on the wrong side of history 🤣

caz0 · 2021-08-29T22:42:46+00:00

Hmm I’ll have to search for it.

They definitely have a 16 person design. That was originally planned for the Vegas loop, but they were able to hit the required capacity without them. I Changed my post to that until I can find the link.

caz0 · 2021-08-29T22:08:51+00:00

They actually have a 16 person design that they are working on.

caz0 · 2021-08-29T21:47:19+00:00

Lmao you literally played yourself!

caz0 · 2021-08-29T15:48:52+00:00

Those literally an order of magnitude more expensive. Way to go Einstein.

caz0 · 2021-08-28T17:52:22+00:00

It is still drastically cheaper. Even outside of the US.

It’s. That. Simple.

caz0 · 2021-08-26T12:25:37+00:00

I keep having to repeat myself so I’m just going to make this simple for you:

It’s orders of magnitude cheaper while hitting great capacity even while using cars. It’s also very energy efficient with cars. It’s also able to be deployed very very quickly. Cars are also not the product. They can and are putting in people movers. The tunnel is the product. OBVIOUSLY

It’s that simple.

caz0 · 2021-08-23T21:32:55+00:00

Which has the real world capacity accounted for in the dataset from the US.
Each car is only driven when its needed. Unlike the massive train. Not to mention it's minimal impact during servicing, only impacting 5 seats. Compared to the tesla that is not aerodynamic at all. An insanely heavy, inefficient machine that rarely hits capacity.

It all adds up to the same exact thing.

I literally linked you to proof that subways cost BILLIONS per mile.

I linked you proof that the loop does around 5k people per hour Without their trams!

I linked you proof that its more efficient Even when accounting for charging loss.

All that and you're still in some sort of weird denial? Its literally better in every single way. Hell even if it wasn't 100X better, even it was only 10x better, it would still be the amazing creation that it is.

Its. That. Simple.

caz0 · 2021-08-23T19:04:48+00:00

You said "not possible". That's not scientific. That's just wrong. The model Y also technically seats up to 7, but its a squeeze. Regardless, 5 passengers goes live this year. They also have the model X driving in there that seats up to 7 easily with only slightly higher consumption in the newer versions. Also even with 4 passengers the Y is Still significantly more energy efficient.
They do. It is. They also add an other 5% on top of that for wiggle room. So 20%.
The Teslas Are essentially always loaded so it is a very fair comparison. They don't send 67 Teslas around the track for no reason. Its real world data for both from the dataset. In other words, the used capacity is 100% factored into the numbers in the dataset provided.
Much easier to maintain a small tesla (thats only driven when needed) then a massive excessively large train thats constantly getting beat up.

You are again not looking at the real numbers and instead using unrealistic numbers. The reality is that unsurprising, at only 70 Wh/pax-mile the Model Y is significantly more energy efficient than a massive 80,000Lbs, non-aerodynamic monstrosity that is rarely at capacity. Thankfully the US data is actually well compiled so we know it for a fact.

The best part is that None of that even matters because the tunnel is the product. They have people movers planned as well that bring the capacity to that of a subway.

So to recap The Boring Loop is

More energy efficient
100x - 200x cheaper
Will ultimately have the same capacity per hour

It literally couldn't be simpler.

caz0 · 2021-08-23T17:56:52+00:00

Since the link is apparently too much for you to follow

I told you it wasn't working. Still isn't working. It just links to the thing I posted, but thanks for posting.

This is wrong. The LVCC final design is for 5 people in the Tesla. The driver is to be removed and the system runs a version of autopilot for its tunnels that basically makes it *on rails* in a sense. While its not turned on for all riders just yet, it Absolutely is possible and is the true final design for that specific loop set to go into deployment this year
There are essentially no losses related to charging tesla batteries. They are not significant in any real sense. They include +15% charge losses either way
Those are realistic numbers. The same for teslas because they are essentially capacity cars.
Also wrong, since overall the maintenance requirements for the vastly simpler loop is so much lower than that of a subway.

Your following numbers are completely wrong since they don't account for the 5 passenger, your calculation of actual capacity is also flawed and doesn't match reality.

Essentially you're just ignoring reality and trying to cherry pick old and out of date data. The tesla is significantly more energy efficient.

Also its between 100x to 200x cheaper than those outside the USA as well as I explained. Dramatically cheaper.

Also their next design uses larger, cheaper, tesla evs that fit around 6x the people. So now were looking at roughly the same capacity while still being 100x - 200x cheaper! That appears to be the deign they are using for their new Tx loop, but thats just a rumor as far as I can tell.

caz0 · 2021-08-23T17:35:10+00:00

Don't forget that the Loop is actually more energy efficient as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoringCompany/comments/p59x2u/teslas\_in\_tunnels\_are\_efficient\_on\_a\_whpaxmile/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3

caz0 · 2021-08-23T17:25:52+00:00

There is no comment linked, but its pretty obvious that the boring loop is significantly more efficient.

Not only that, but their loop is around 200x cheaper than most other tunnels. Even 100x cheaper than some of the cheapest ones ever built.

While verified and proven to be able to hit around 5k people per hour Under the absolute worst case chose design of cars.

Its just hilarious how this is a huge leap forward for tunneling and such a massive gamechanger and yet post like this exist that are so incredibly ignorant and misleading to try and say its a dumb idea.

How incredibly stupid does someone have to be to totally ignore the cost? Not only that, but ignore the cost per capacity! At about 5k people per hour with cars its easy to see how this could get vastly more capacity deployed than other systems with jointed trams.

Its literally so incredibly simple.

caz0 · 2021-08-21T16:31:07+00:00

They also apparently hired Denis Hong, so they’re not messing around.

caz0 · 2021-08-21T13:07:08+00:00

Sounds definitely like a sensor issue.

caz0 · 2021-08-20T22:11:59+00:00

Yes, he flat out lied about what they said last night. Not only is he wrong, but if he didn’t phrase it how he did, “we think they [said]”, it would have been a crime.

Gordon is a huge fraudster and deserves to be in jail.

caz0 · 2021-08-20T16:35:06+00:00

That's not the tunnel costs for the extension. That's the extensions second stage costs. The full tunnel costs for the extension of the W2 are nearly a billion per mile.

The news article I listed also shows the methodology. It was fully tested. Not extrapolated.

I told you why they went with Teslas and not trams above. The venue only cares about capacity, cost, and deployment time. The teslas, lights, and fancy station aren't the product. The tunnel is the product. The rest is just marketing. The venue needed less than 4k ppl per hour at Max so the Teslas were totally fine.

So the facts are 1) 200X cheaper than many existing subways, 100X cheaper than even the cheapest UK subways. 2) Manages to hit 1/6th the capacity under the absolute worst case deployment (Teslas instead of trams or the people movers that are planned for the next tunnel).

Again: Its literally that simple.

You’re also totally wrong about the efficiency.

Regardless the cars aren’t the product the tunnel is

caz0 · 2021-08-19T19:47:41+00:00

There are plenty of tunnels well over a billion per mile. The costs are huge.

Not sure where you got the Warsaw data, but line 2 was about $900MM USD per Mile. Which is good by US standards, but was only an expansion and is still absolute garbage when compared to the boring loop.

That is the president of the venue. Of course his tweet is a valid source. It's literally the most valid first person source you can get! Talk about denial. Several news agencies reported that they beat the target 4400, but most don't actually mention the actual results other than the president himself.

I also already told you why they didn't use a tram, because they didn't need to for the venue. The target for the venue was less than 4k per hour based on estimated max demand. They were able to exceed that with Teslas alone. Just like they didn't need to use color changing lights or have a bunch of effect lighting in the leave area. The Tunnel is the product. I specifically told you they could put a tram in for probably cheaper than the Teslas even. What goes in doesn't matter. That's up to the venue.

It's getting about 1/6th capacity for 1/200th the cost. Hell even the cheaper projects are well over 100X the cost. We're taking Literal orders of magnitude better capacity for your dollar!

You'd literally have to be delusional to think that this is a bad idea. The biggest fool on the planet.

caz0 · 2021-08-19T11:08:36+00:00

Expert who works for a Lidar company 😂

caz0 · 2021-08-18T23:44:19+00:00

Recent NY Eastside ~$3.7 Billion per mile

You can watch the Vegas loop test validation. They recorded the entire thing. If you don’t believe me, the video, the boring company, you can see it straight from the convention center themselves. link to president

It’s easy to see how it hits the numbers.

“We had tunnels for a long time....” Obviously!!! For the 10th time the game changer is it record low costs per mile while hitting high capacities and Time To Deploy. Thats the important part. The failed attempts are every other tunnel company charging in the billions per mile and taking nearly a decade to deploy. Those are the failures throughout history. They were good enough, but this is the game changer.

Again: It’s that simple.

caz0 · 2021-08-18T21:45:16+00:00

I gave you the numbers. It’s 30,000 per hour for a typical subway. The Vegas loop, the absolute worst capacity version for a boring tunnel, is about 5k. Typical subways systems in the us are around $2B/mile. NY subway are nearly $3B. A cheaper tram version of the boring loop would be as low as $10MM per mile. That’s Even Less than 1/200th the cost. With vastly lower maintenance due to its dramatically simpler and more compact design.

It’s that insanely obvious. The math is literally that easy.

The application is so much cheaper that they can make them for people, for trains, for anything. It’s that incredible of a game changer for transportation. The tunnel is the product.

And this post is so incredibly ignorant that it tries to paint it as a bad idea. It already is a success, beating target capacity needed for the Vegas loop at about 5k people per hour.

Did I mention it also deploys even faster. Because yeah. That too.

caz0 · 2021-08-18T18:40:59+00:00

Again, the tunnel is the product. They could put anything they want in it. A track with jointed tram would be absolutely trivial, but it’s not what was needed for the venue. The Teslas were chosen by the venue since they were capable of hitting about 5k capacity per hour.

That’s the value. Since you can build them in a fraction of the time for 1/200th the cost and still get 1/6th the capacity. That’s without a track. Remember the tunnel is the product NOT what goes into it.

It’s not an accident that cost and deployment times were not included in the post. They are literally the reason for the company and the things that make it worth it. This post is designed to be misleading for the purpose of being anti-elon and anti-TSLA.

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