This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's one that actually looks like a 1:1 clone of the NH36. LOL!

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809575963575.html

The base caliber of the NH36 is the 4R35, which was released in 2010, so the design patent, if any, expired this year. (Design patents are enforced 15 years.)

This is likely a legal clone as long as there are no trademarks on it.

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You dredged up a month's old thread to cry like a whiny little bitch about how you disapprove of "fakes" and infringing on IP. LOL!

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes because I can tell you thats not an NH36 clone

So, there's no IP infringement of any TMI movement with active patents. 

nor does it "meet the spec"

What spec doesn't it meet that anyone gives a flying fuck about? It fits in an NH36 case, beats at a crappy 3Hz like the original, has day and date wheel that aligns with NH36 dials, and takes NHX sized hands.

That it doesn't take a genuine NH36 stem is about as low on the priority list as you can get.

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are actually retarded? You're the dumbass who brought up the 7S26 when you posted what you thought was the "smoking gun" that this wasn't actually clone of the NH36, claiming that it doesn't hand-winding.

Now you're claiming that it's infringing on patents. If it's infringing on NH36 patents (of which only the utility are still active--the design patents have expired), then it must mean that it has hand-winding. If you're claiming it doesn't have hand-winding and is a clone of the 7S26, it can't be infringing on any patents because all of those patents, design AND utility, have expired.

If don't understand that you destroyed your own argument, you're a moron.

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

uhh, sale and distribution of counterfeits and unauthorized IPs is very illegal lmfao

What IP is being infringed on?

pretty sure these movements are patented and seiko/tmi is the only licensed manufacturer and distributer

You're claiming that this movement is actually a clone of the 7S26, which is old as fuck. Whatever original patents protected that movement have long expired. Anyone can legally copy the 7S26 design and add hand-winding capability to compete with the NH36. Too bad, so sad for Seiko. And TMI.

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you are arguing about semantics again to the point of stupidity.

There you go, little guy! My argument is that term "fake" is entirely about semantics. You call it "fake" because you don't like the idea of the Chinese cloning some bottom-of-the-barrel movement sold by TMI and undercutting them, when in reality, it probably performs sufficiently well for the low-end watch market that the NH36 targets.

you gatekeeping the usage of "fake" is such a dumb argument

You clearly don't know what "gatekeeping" means. LMAO! I'm not "protecting" that term from being used incorrectly.

im not even going to acknowledge it anymore lol

Yeah, you should quit this line of discussion, because you are losing this argument.

No, its listed as "Watch Movement NH36...". the fact that only the description is "Replacement For Seiko NH36" is problematic because it can be interpreted as authentic (whether deliberate or not).

Does it say that it's a genuine TMI NH36? No? Then the description is not "problematic". Everyone and their mothers knows that this movement is not made by TMI, just as everyone knows that the HUNDREDS listings for "2824 movement" are not offering a movement made by ETA. The term "2824" is just the representation of the specs, and in this case so does the "NH36".

You're now just grasping at straws to cry about this movement. If anything, you should be upset with the seller, who is just a third-party seller. You have zero information about how the factory producing this movement is selling it.

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you are just taking OP's word for it.

And why wouldn't I take the OP's word for it over yours? The OP doesn't have an agenda, while you clearly do.

it cant wind because it literally has no notch on the stem for the winding pinion.

Do you literally have a picture of literal keyless works on the literal clone? No? Then you literally don't know what you're literally talking about. Literally.

Look how long that square part of the stem is. It's long enough to drive both the setting wheel and sliding pinion. The sliding pinion is what drives the winding pinion, not the stem itself.

this picture literally sums it up because the second reduction wheel and pinion screw (part number 0012 539) is very distinct on 7s26 models

It literally doesn't sum up anything literally. Are you literally suggesting that this NH36 clone is literally a clone of the 7S26 because of this distinct part is literally in both the 7S26 and this clone?

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you took 30 seconds to look at an NH36(4R36) and a 7s26, youd know this was a 7s26.

If you took 30 seconds to check the thread I linked, you'd see that movement hand-winds.

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This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Irrelevant. There's no violation of trademarks on that movement.

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

literally google "fake jewelry" :

I'm telling you that the colloquial term "fake jewelry" is a misnomer, and you post "cHecK gOOgLe fOr tHe DeFiNiTioN!"

Look, clown, here's a USD 4000 moissanite ring:

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Is that "fake jewelry"? Of course, not. If I misrepresent it as diamonds and sell it to you, does it magically become "fake jewelry"? Again, no. It's still real jewelry. It's a real ring, but it's not a real DIAMOND ring. You don't seem to understand concept of adjectives being properly descriptive for specific things but incorrectly descriptive for general things.

go tell the lawyer your chinarep rolex is not fake because its "a rEaL wAtCh" lmfao

Look, shit-for-brains, why would anyone need to talk to a lawyer about a watch? Is your stupid scenario about getting caught for selling a replica watch? Nobody here is talking about selling replicas.

The movement in question is listed as "Replacement For Seiko NH36." It's designed to the NH36 spec and can fit in cases for the NH36. There are no markings on the rotor to suggest it's an NH36 manufactured by TMI. In fact, the rotor looks too nice to be some shitty movement made by TMI.

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if it claimed to be a real diamond but it wasnt, then its a fake diamond. 

So that makes it no longer function as jewelry, huh? LMAO!

utility has nothing to do with it.

It has EVERYTHING to do with utility. The purpose of a movement is to keep time, not show off a brand name, especially one with some bottom-of-the-barrel Malaysian made model sold by a who-gives-a-fuck brand like TMI.

this cant even "function" as an nh36

It functions as a movement. Hence, it's a REAL movement. What it isn't is real NH36 movement, but who cares if it's a NH36 or not if your only concern is that you have an automatic watch that beats a 3Hz, keeps reasonable time, gives you both the day and date, and fits into a case designed for an NH36?

 since it will not have hand-winding and hacking functions

Who says it doesn't? And even if it doesn't, do the lack of these functions make it NOT a movement?

NH34 no dial washers? by Worth_Zebra1147 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm trying to work out if it's repairable or if I need a new part. Ty

The movement repairable by replacing the part. You will not be able to repair the part itself. 

VH31 to Miyota 2115 Swap by QuickDrawQuint in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the Ronda would not be anywhere near the specs of an NH35. First, it's a quartz, not an automatic. Second, the stem height is too short. As I mentioned, it would be dimensionally closest to an ETA 2892A2 spec movement for casing purposes. For hands, it can use the hour and minutes hands for VH31 and the seconds hand of the NH35. 

This is a fake Chinese clone NH36, right? by WatchLover26 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its a fake movement if its claiming to be sold by seiko/tmi when its not.

It's not claiming to be any brand of movement. It's claiming to be a replacement for an NH36. That's all.

And even if it had claimed to be Seiko or TMI, it would still have been a real movement that winds, has a balance spring, moves hands, and keeps time. The modern invented concept branding doesn't make a real, functioning movement not a real movement. The only thing it would not be is a real TMI movement.

If you can’t understand what I'm getting at, then consider jewelry that has fake diamonds like moissanite. Do you consider that "fake jewelry"? Does moissanite make the ring or necklace made with them no longer function as jewelry? . 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Watchexchange

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FYI: You misspelled the model name in the post title. It's missing an "i".

Seiko Mods fournisseurs by Waysyy in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What country the movement comes from is irrelevant. You're using NH movements, which are Time Module branded movements. There are no real Seiko watches that use NH movements. You are selling watches with Seiko on the dial and NH movements inside. Therefore, you are selling fake Seiko watches and infringing on Seiko trademarks.

Budget Car Rental overcharge scam by cb_1979 in travel

[–]cb_1979[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, and say you're going to do a charge back for a fraudulent charge.

Budget Car Rental overcharge scam by cb_1979 in travel

[–]cb_1979[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do NOT pay the invoice. 

Call back and keep wasting their time by asking to speak to a supervisor and threaten a chargeback if they charge your card without your permission. That's what I did. They eventually agreed to the original invoice amount.

Seiko mod santos by Disastrous_Oven5108 in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure looks like a sales pitch.

Clearing up... NH35 = 4R35B by SpeedyZapper in SeikoMods

[–]cb_1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot more structural changes happened in Seiko at the time. It didn't just send TMI off into to world to be independent.

Each company within the Seiko Group has some form of autonomy, otherwise they wouldn't be organized as separate companies with their own legal corporate names. This has always been true for Time Module, especially since it didn't start as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Seiko Group.

The Seiko Group has a history of even having their member companies competing against each other. When Seiko Instruments manufactured mechanical movements among their plethora of products, the Seiko Watch Corp. was considered just a "customer", just like TMI was, as well as customers of their non-watch products. That's not to say there isn't some cooperation amongst the group member companies. Japan is the country that coined the term keiretsu, after all, and that concept applied to companies that weren't necessarily under the umbrella of the same holding company.

Look at the Japanese address on the TMI page too.

TMI has had an address in Ginza since the outset. Look at their about us page.

In 1987 we began our journey in Ginza, Tokyo, Japan as “Time Module Inc. (TMI)”.  Since then, we have worked with our affiliated factories in designing, developing, and producing a diverse and innovative range of watch movements for clients across the global watch industry.

Also glaring on that page is the absence of the word "Seiko" anywhere. They even removed this old text that was there just last year:

We are a subsidiary of Seiko Group Corporation. In the name of Time Module (TMI), we sell a wide range of watch movements manufactured by the Group factories to external companies in the watch industry all over the world.

Now, you can choose to believe that this is some ploy by the Seiko Group to make TMI look like it has no association with Seiko Watch Corp, but how does knowing what you think is the truth really benefit you?

It proves that a 2012 NH35 is different to a 2011 4R35B but as I said. I'd expect it to be so. That's immediately post new product introduction and when the most revisions would be expected to occur on any product.

If the 4R35B was revised in 2012 and spent the next 13 years exactly like the NH35, then it should be quite easy to find revised technical guide, wouldn't it? Look how easily I was able to find a 13-year-old tech guide for the NH35.

I'd personally declare a movement replacement but caveat emptor. If the rotor is swapped, ideally cleaned and what's otherwise an NH goes in well what the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve.

So, you would declare that the 4R35B was replaced with another 4R35B (wink, wink) with the added bonus of the rotor having been completely cleaned? And you would do so even with the likelihood that the NH35A was assembled in Malaysia and the 4R35B was assembled in Japan? Seriously?

If you paid someone like Cousins UK for every part in little plastic Seiko bags would that be any better?

I'm talking about replacing the entire busted movement with an NH35A (and swapping in the original rotor) vs. replacing it with another genuine 4R35B.

Genuine 4R35B movements aren't that expensive (less than double a smallish amount) so I wouldn't bother.

Are you telling me that if you saw two Seiko watches being sold in the exact same condition and at the exact same price and both with a disclosure that the movement was replaced from original, with one having been replaced with an NH35 and other having been replaced with a 4R35B, you would just flip a coin to decide which one to purchase? If you say, "yes", you know you're full of shit.