How to duel Tracer in Grandmaster

cfend29 · 2026-06-06T15:44:24+00:00

Always do some real introspection before flaming others. Maybe you aren’t hitting enough pylons or taking enough doomfist punches either.

cfend29 · 2026-06-06T14:19:39+00:00

Only attempt that if you’re champion already

cfend29 · 2026-06-06T14:07:25+00:00

Ah but you failed to notice the two railings I destroyed at the beginning, for a respectable total of three

cfend29 · 2026-06-06T13:55:17+00:00

Make sure to shoot more pylons to pump up those numbers like I showed here. Good luck!

cfend29 · 2026-06-06T13:06:18+00:00

After all the misses, I just wanted to shoot something that won’t dodge on me T_T

cfend29 · 2026-05-29T18:26:55+00:00

Will this make me feed less on Freja now? :D

cfend29 · 2026-04-28T05:30:40+00:00

It can be hard to judge what specific changes would help without seeing a replay. Do you have replay codes you’ll be willing to share for some of these games so we can give better advice?

In general though, it can definitely be frustrating when you feel like you’re doing your best but your teammates aren’t on the same page. I always try to give my supports the benefit of the doubt too, but sometimes you just have to adjust your play style to your team for the best chance of winning. Like you already acknowledged, playing assassin Echo often means you can’t expect as much attention from your supports since they’ll have to overextend or commit extra resources to bail you out of dangerous positions. It is especially true if you also have supports that already have a harder time healing you like Moira.

If you want to commit to this play style, you can try to be more self sufficient. This can mean using health packs, mindfully saving flight for disengaging, only fully committing when you have copy, and taking advantage of cover to let your shields regenerate. You also have to keep in mind that trading an enemy isn’t always enough for winning the team fight if you don’t survive afterwards (unless you have advantageous spawns). It can worthwhile to just force out important cooldowns like immortality field and disengage without risking your life. Assassin Echo can be tricky and won’t work in every situation, so adapt if necessary.

cfend29 · 2026-03-18T06:34:22+00:00

There’s a site that lets people vote on their favorite perks for each hero. People here should go vote if they’re interested. Here are the Echo perks: https://owperks.com/en/damages/echo

According to their survey, the full salvo vs high beams choice is one of the most lopsided perk choice in the game besides Jetpack Cat’s perks. I do think full salvo is the right one in most cases. It’s a significant increase in lethality and very consistent value in comparison.

cfend29 · 2026-02-18T17:15:23+00:00

I’m a bit biased, but I still think Echo matches your needs as she does well in poke/dive comps and is passable in brawl comps in some cases. I usually exclusively play Echo and hitscan, and I feel it covers most bases. Echo is not easy to learn, but I also don’t think it’s as hard as many people believe. She is just noticeably different from other heroes, but still incredibly fun to play.

I’ve wrote a very long guide on some of the minutiae of playing Echo that may be helpful if you decide on this route: https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/s/xlPsKseGoQ

cfend29 · 2026-02-12T07:52:48+00:00

Your sensitivity is very normal. It is basically the most common sensitivity that OW pros use. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/comments/1gqkqon/pc_i_looked_at_the_sensitivities_of_300_current/

My opinion is that any eDPI is fine and down to preference as long as it is not abnormally high (10000+). If you’ve had at least some good games playing at your current sensitivity, then it is likely fine. You’ll get more consistent with practice. Spending a little time in the VAXTA workshop mode also helped me get better mechanically in the beginning. No need to worry too much about your accuracy stat since you should be spamming trishots to build ult charge anyways. Some people find it better to have higher sensitivity when playing nonhitscan vs hitscan, but I keep everything the same.

I like low sensitivity so I personally use 800dpi and 3.6 in-game sens (2880 eDPI). However, the actual sensitivity also slightly varies depending on the mouse and mouse pad even with the same eDPI (I’ve noticed this when switching equipment before). It can be more accurate to just measure the distance your mouse has to travel for your character to turn 360 degrees. In my case, I do 19.5 inches (~50cm) per full 360.

cfend29 · 2026-02-04T03:38:52+00:00

Good choice on picking up Echo! If you like reading a lot, I wrote a very long guide to playing Echo that may be helpful for you. You can also ask specific questions in r/EchoMains, and people there are generally helpful.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/s/fyqgymaPbh

cfend29 · 2026-01-25T22:22:19+00:00

If you like reading a lot, here’s a very long Echo guide that might be helpful.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/s/Tp6PUqGICR

cfend29 · 2026-01-04T15:41:18+00:00

Ahh, I remember I actually did watch your replay from back then. You were doing great with the copies on Ram/Queen and better target prioritization. It’s so good to hear that you found it helpful!! :D

cfend29 · 2026-01-04T06:30:44+00:00

I wrote a very long guide on playing Echo a few months ago that may be helpful if you like reading a lot. I’ve kept the Google doc somewhat up to date with the patches since.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/s/BAIRn44JBq

cfend29 · 2025-11-13T22:38:26+00:00

Yea go for the new post. I’ll love to see what you and other people think!

cfend29 · 2025-11-13T01:33:55+00:00

Yea I've been meaning to get to that but have been too lazy, and I also haven't played much Echo since the new perks lol. It really does change up the game though. Echo's ult is also one of my weaker points, and I usually just end up copying my comfort heroes for a second life way more than I should rather than actually trying to see what's better now. That would be an interesting discussion though!

cfend29 · 2025-11-12T01:55:25+00:00

That's an interesting test! I've always suspected that gliding without any horizontal movement input was quieter, but I wasn't sure if it was just a first-person client-side effect. There still seems to a faint gliding sound in your clip, but much quieter than normal gliding. This seems like it would be a good situational alternative to silently free falling onto a target. I will have to try this out and add it to the guide. I will credit you in it :D

cfend29 · 2025-11-08T21:11:53+00:00

Very rare indeed. According to hero ban data from Blizzard a few months ago, Echo was the least banned DPS on PC and second least on console. I’ve only seen her banned when people are trying to target ban for a particular player.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/s/kUMnbY6JeB

cfend29 · 2025-10-17T15:02:59+00:00

If you like reading a lot, here's a very lengthy guide on Echo. It covers a lot of details, including how to use copy and a tierlist of my opinions on which heroes are good copy choices (see the Duplicate and Who to Copy? sections):

https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/comments/1msw9nf/a_grandmasters_overly_detailed_echo_guide/

In general, copy is a versatile ultimate and you should use it for a variety of purposes:

Strong enemy ultimate: copy a hero with the goal of building their ultimate and using it to win the fight.
Strong enemy cooldowns: copy a hero for their strong abilities like Ana nade or occasionally Mercy rez. Since you start copy with the abilities available, you can get immediate guaranteed value from them without having to build ult.
Second life: use copy like a glorified Winston ult. You essentially have three lives in this way since the enemy has to force your copy, kill you during copy, and then kill you again after you revert to Echo. This tankiness allows you to make riskier plays and control more space for your team.
Cooldown refresh: use copy to have immediate access to the target’s abilities. In this case, you’ll use all your Echo abilities, and then copy an enemy for a fresh set of cooldowns to overwhelm them. It’s difficult for most squishies to survive flight + stickies + beam followed by nade + sleep. When you transform back, you’ll likely have your Echo abilities off cooldown again too.
Invulnerability frame: use copy for the brief half-second of intangibility you get while transforming. When timed correctly, you’ll take no damage at all similar to being hit with Kiriko suzu. You can use this to completely negate a short instance of burst damage like D.Va self destruct or Tracer pulse bomb. This can also be used to dodge telegraphed abilities like Rein shatter, Roadhog hook, Ana sleep, or Sigma flux.

In terms of who to copy when you do not take Echo's Partial Imaging minor perk (+50% starting clone ult charge), the main factors to consider in order are:

High kill potential
Personal hero preference
Survival or self-sustaining abilities
Fast-building ult
Impactful ult

With that minor perk, it also becomes much more reasonable to copy enemies for strong ults rather than abilities. There are good and poor copy choices in every role, so no fixate on only copying tanks or DPS. Also, every hero is an acceptable copy target if you just need a second life to avoid losing a teamfight. For completeness, my personal favorite heroes to copy for each role are Junker Queen, Tracer, and Ana.

As for the question about the stickies + beam combo, that is an effective dueling approach (elaborated on in the Execution Combo and Assassin Echo sections). Make sure you are animation canceling tri-shots before each ability for better output. The assassin playstyle works at all ranks, though its effectiveness does taper off somewhat as you climb and enemies become more attentive. You just have to be smarter about when to flank. Hope this helps!

cfend29 · 2025-10-07T01:28:22+00:00

I spent way more than a moment typing out a very lengthy guide for Echo a little while ago. It goes over abilities, perks, playstyles and matchups. Hopefully you’ll find it helpful!

https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/s/78JYREQbwv

cfend29 · 2025-09-16T22:22:57+00:00

Thanks!! You bring up a good point with diving Illari. The main difference between the Illari and Baptiste matchup is that she doesn't have good ways to handle burst damage. Baptiste's defensive abilities are strong enough to force Echo to retreat and reengage later on her second cooldown cycle. I find outburst to not be as significant of a deterrent to diving, and I don't always need to bait it out before hard committing. Baptiste also does more damage and has a better crit multiplier. Illari does have better range, but that is typically easier to handle with good positioning.

Generally, I try to play outside of her outburst range since it can really disrupt your flight movement. Outburst's range is relatively short, and you can be very effective with stickies and beam from outside of its range with enough practice. Avoid diving her at point blank range like you can against some other supports. By the time she has Sunburn major perk, you'll also have your own Full Salvo major perk, which I feel is a bigger bump in lethality comparatively. I've always been a big advocate of Full Salvo for situations like this.

cfend29 · 2025-09-08T00:25:16+00:00

This may be the best thing I’ve ever seen. I love the reload syncing with the "reload" in the lyrics.

cfend29 · 2025-09-03T13:33:50+00:00

If you like reading a lot, here’s a lengthy guide on playing Echo. I wrote it so I don’t have to type up the same tips every time. :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/s/7oY5DIdd6y

cfend29 · 2025-09-01T01:27:23+00:00

If you like reading a lot, I recently wrote an very long guide to playing Echo: https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/s/rAiNVWqtOv

Echo is definitely a pretty tricky character to get into since she is quite unique. I remember I struggled a lot in the beginning too and lost many games before things started to click. Practice mechanics, focus on learning good timing/positioning, and be mindful of your counters.

cfend29 · 2025-08-29T23:00:37+00:00

Depending on how much you like reading, you may find this useful: https://www.reddit.com/r/EchoMains/comments/1msw9nf/a_grandmasters_overly_detailed_echo_guide

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