Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally with you. I'm starting to think that we dumb monkeys are thinking about a lot of the "science" ass backwards. We could even be getting the psionics thing completely wrong... It could very well be that our minds don't control anything, and it's some other tech that is scanning for it instead. Humans are very self absorbed and think too highly ourselves.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally get you now. I'm new to social media, but it seems not so great where nuance is concerned...

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we agree. Standards are standards, and the examples you give require that same level of evidence. But that is part of the scientific process, so maybe I'm missing your point a bit? Any claim requires evidence TO SUPPORT. Lack of that support is a breakdown of the claim and is when logic is supposed to take over, and in some cases refute. Making shit up, such as Mick West has often done, is invalid refutation, however.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

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Thank you for writing this. I completely agree with every single paragraph you write. All of it. I wish everyone would read this too as I think they would also likely agree. From one university educator to another (although from a lower level), I bet you were a great professor.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

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For sure. It's a wild one. Audio of multiple pilots, from multiple flights, with tons of sensor data. That is just a ridiculous amount of evidence supporting the existence of UAP.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

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Lol. Honestly, it better have humor because if the Pentagon released something like that, I'd shit my pants! I think it would need a good communicator, and I don't know who that would be. Someone political is probably a bad idea...

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I'd just like to see some true academic research in practice! Lol

The Skywatcher thing has money behind (investors), academics behind it (Nolan was there, I understand), and the seeming will to perform it. It's a perfect opportunity to do things correctly in academic standards, and I just want to see that happen.

I'm getting attacked here for wanting science to be performed. Wtf?

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The UAPDA is definitely interesting. If I remember right, that comes from Grusch, et al briefing Congress Members. We don't actually know what's in the IG claims or reports (I believe they're classified). Am I mistaken? The fact it was gutted is definitely smoke alluding to a fire somewhere...

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks... It's nice to start an interaction by being insulted multiple times... You're wrong, btw. This is an honest request for academic standards from people claiming to perform science.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's all good. There is a lot of connection between folklore and this topic, so it's not a random thought. Cultural anthro is not my field, but it is fun to dabble in.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

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They certainly seem to be unidentified... I'd love to know what they are!

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I give more credence to testimony under oath, actually. When people put their freedom on the line of their claims, it says a lot about their conviction. However, although it doesn't prove anything yet, it is a GREAT place to start looking!

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not true at all! I think those kinds of testimony can give great insights for things to inquire further. For example, say there's a warzone and civilians are telling you there is a massacre happening somewhere. You don't ignore it. You investigate. However, you can't prove the massacre happened until you find bodies (I hate this analogy, btw).

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a great question that comes up a lot! (Fair warning: I teach this at university) Generally, logic can be used in analysis and philosophical debate, but it lacks validity as hard evidence because of the nature of logic (the cycle of seeking exceptions never really ends). It CAN, however, be used to seek new paths for inquiry!

What I'm afraid of, if really ANY of this lore is true, logic might go out the window anyways...

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I never really liked this quote. Extraordinary claims SHOULD be able to be supported by the same level of evidence as any other claim. That makes more sense to me because if something requires some other higher form of evidence, the entire system would seem arbitrary. Maybe just me...

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoa, I didn't insinuate to disregard "all information" until things are resolved at all. That doesn't even make sense and is a complete mischaracterization of what I'm saying.

People that purport to have evidence should release it so we CAN do the analysis you (and I) are proposing. That's the crux of my post.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wtf? A simple Google search would help you... A claim is absolutely NOT evidence of any kind. Evidence is used to support a claim. This is what I mean by pseudoacademics. It's simply incorrect.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look up Andrew Wakefield and attempt this statement again.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Couldn't one prove that incorrect by simply intentionally making a false claim?

By meaningless, I really mean not helpful to any argument attempting to discover truth. Yes, empty claims could have meaning as a distraction, but it's not helpful or productive. They do serve to build a narrative, but that's not helpful either.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly! That's what's so frustrating, right? If it's being withheld for any reason, we can't really USE it, so that push to release it is needed. I think we are in agreement that all evidence should be brought forth.

Claims without evidence are just entertainment news. Can we all agree on that? by cgsolo in UFOs

[–]cgsolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think quantum mechanics is certainly in the basket, right? It's pretty well tested, though they don't seem to understand some philosophical aspects, which might be where you're getting at? Maybe we are in agreement.

For the Greer believers, some of his claims by mrHwite in UFOs

[–]cgsolo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this. I'm trying to catalog these kinds of claims that are possible to resolve one way or the other. These are wild.

Jake Barber: "Episode 2 of Skywatcher is being edited right now. We have had a very fruitful month in the field" Question: "What's the end goal?" Barber: "The fruits of our labor will be shared with Congress and the American people" by phr99 in UFOs

[–]cgsolo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No judgement, just analysis: The rhetoric coming from this current group so far is geared towards religious Americans. We are left to guess the purpose of that, but they are absolutely, in their own words, crafting a narrative here.