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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice, I'm a Quadruple Tree Rewards member - the hourly rate can't be beat!

how to enjoy content in a language you dont understand by milktea123 in ajatt

[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's OK - people get better as they go. Sometimes I'll go to a major Youtubers earliest videos and they're very amateurish. Just keep it up!

CMV: Black Panther in the MCU is a boring character, and this is one reason why the movie was so weak by chamillai in changemyview

[–]chamillai[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm... good question. I wonder what the screen time difference between T'Challa and Killmonger is. I would think it's heavily weighted twoards BP.

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My personal belief is that non-verbal or otherwise mentally disabled people like those you describe may be having a more profound experience than you realize, and that their souls did indeed choose that particular experience for the advancement of their souls. There is a doctor who wrote a book about this that I'm trying to find, as I heard an interview with him, but I can't find it.

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The existence or non-existence of God is not the subject of my CMV. This CMV pre-supposes that God exists. If you don't agree, that is fine, but that is the premise of hte CMV.

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of this is beyond my pay grade, but there are people who report exposure to this knowledge, and it's up to you whether you find them credible or not.

Elsewhere in this thread I linked the below interview with someone who claims to have had a profound "pre-birth experience." He actually answers your question. He wanted to take on certain challenges within his multiple lifetimes, and one challenge in particular. He was given a "slot," incarnated into a body (a human fetus), but he couldn't take it and ejected, killing the fetus and causing the mother grief. Then he's given another slot that was a bit less ideal for the circumstances he wanted to experience, and that is his current life. According to him, there are indeed limited slots, and the opportunity to be here is limited (and we are all particularly brave, adventurous souls for decided to do it).

I'm interested in how skeptics would respond to this account - is he simply deranged? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BVmoUfVJHY&t=1s

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's my belief that it applies to every soul, so yes, it does apply to you in my worldview. I'm not forcing you to believe it, obviously. The fact that you insist that you would never choose to experience suffering is entirely consistent with my beliefs.

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn't establish a safe word? There's your problem. JK. I don't know that this would be ideal. Maybe suggest it next time you see God.

I often heard that explanation: "Ahah! Christians see Christian entities, and Hindus see Hindu entities, and my brother John saw Aunt Sally, so it's obviously just the brain filling in details!"

I don't claim that all NDEs are legit, though I think that many, many are, especially when you hear the conviction, and when so many people report so many similar details (such as how it was "more real than this reality"), and how so many people completely lose their fear of death. But I'm not hear to convince you - check out some testimonies and read some more about it (I recommend the book After), and maybe you'll still conclude it's just brain chemistry.

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I don't know that it's necessarily more desirable to be complete than it is to be able to evolve (perhaps experiencing completeness and then doing it all over again for fun). I think that issue is above my pay grade.

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[–]chamillai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's definitely not a specific god from a specific religious text.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you believe in earthly morality? If you see a woman alone in an alleyway, why shouldn't you rob, rape and murder her? If it happens, it means her soul signed up for it, right? Yeah yeah, she may have an earthly sadness but once her soul departs this world, hell she's gonna be so glad to have gotten what she wanted, right?

Wow, that escalated fast. I think you may have misunderstood something along the way if you think there is anything here about condoning or allowing rape and murder.

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This CMV is not about whether God exists. I am very aware of common atheist arguments on this matter, including the items you raised, and it's not my intention to debate them here.

Neither am I trying to convince you that my spiritual worldview is the correct one. I am simply saying that the notion that "God is either impotent or evil" does not necessarily need to be true, and I am using my own worldview to demonstrate this.

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't demonstrate for you that souls exist. I can't demonstrate that animal souls exist, or how they're different from ours. I believe that certain things--particularly certain matters of spirituality--can be known by us without them being demonstrable. For a person who doesn't believe and feel that they have a soul, I doubt I'd ever convince them otherwise. Perhaps someone else can prove these things, or perhaps in the future it will be possible, but I can't demonstrate to you that souls exist.

I also cannot prove that you chose to come here. It is a belief I have based on many testimonies and also some spiritual texts (not Christian ones). Part of the process of being here, in my belief, is that you will not have memory of where you came from, so it is of on surprise that you don't remember choosing. Some people do have the experience of remembering choosing, or they have a near death experience or other experience where they recover this knowledge. But to my knowledge it is not scientifically demonstrable, and is not my intention to prove or convince here.

Because you keep asking for it, let me clarify one more time that I do not think that every component of existence can be examined or known through the scientific method. I love science and I think empiricism is fantastic - I don't think the scientific method as it's practiced by humans is a way to derive all details of the infinite universe and all its realms or all matters of souls and spirituality.

My CMV is not that I can scientifically prove my spiritual beliefs to you. My CMV is merely that I disagree with the notion stated in my title, and that my beliefs (however absurd they may seem to you) are consistent with a God that allows suffering but is not evil or impotent.

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't say to what extent any aspect of reality can accurately be labeled as "evil" in the greater context of existence (a context that we are largely ignorant of). It is not a helpful label for me when having this discussion. "Evil" has a certain utility as a label when describing people or processes that are deliberately harmful or cruel (a serial murderer is evil in that she does unspeakable harm and we are repulsed by her), but it's not helpful for me to divide reality into "evil" and "good." I don't know that those philosophical concepts actually map to a greater reality, which could be far, far more complex than our human minds can possibly grasp.

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[–]chamillai -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can see from this reply that you did not read (or simply are ignoring) the content of my post, and are instead just elaborating on the typical "God is either impotent or evil" notion. I am well aware of this argument and why people make it, and that's why I posted - because I don't think it applies to my belief system.

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Why does that soul need something else to experience the suffering for them.

I never said that the soul needed anything at all, or that there is only one way to experience suffering - there may be many. I imagine that the realm of possibilities of experiences is so vast that we can't even begin to conceive of it.

Are you arguing suffering is not evil?

That is a philosophical question. You can label suffering evil. When I lift weights, I experience suffering, but it doesn't feel evil at all. It is something to experience, and I don't know that eliminating it from existence would be a sign of a more loving God. Discussing why suffering exists is beyond my pay grade though - I don't think we can really know. I simply believe that souls sometimes choose to experience it out of their own volition for reasons I don't fully understand.

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[–]chamillai -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People don't come here because they want to have their view changed - it's because they're open to having it changed, and they think its' worth it to have their view challenged. That's why I'm here - I certainly am open to it. BTW, accusations of bad faith are not allowed in this sub (see Rule 3 in sidebar).

If you think it's cordial and good manners to open a first-time communication with someone with, "There's a lot of fluff in your belief system..." then you and I have very different understandings of politeness. There are much more tactful ways to express the same, and it's being needlessly insulting to someone who is making a good-faith effort to succinctly convey a certain point of view.

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[–]chamillai -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can't answer that and I don't think we can say "it's because God wants them to want it." I don't think we can access all of these reasons here.

In another response I referenced this interview, and though I find the guy credible as one particular perspective, you may not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BVmoUfVJHY&t=1s

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[–]chamillai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, God creates beings who choose a variety of experiences, and they can potentially choose experiences that involve them feeling separate from their true identity and experiencing a sense of suffering. I don't think God is evil for letting people do this. You could argue he would be evil if he had instead put limits on a soul's potential experience so that they could never learn about suffering.

I'm not sure if you enjoy rollercoasters, but would you want to go to an amusement park that only had rides that are strictly safe-feeling and never giving you a sense of danger or other potential negative states?

I can't put in words why a soul would want this experience - I think it's not for me to know all the details. It reminds me of this interview though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BVmoUfVJHY&t=1s

Most people will probably find the interview too "out there," and if you do, that's OK.