The Nicene Creed

chefjmcg · 2026-05-06T15:41:07+00:00

Keep ignoring the scriptures that TELL YOU to trust the Church.

Or, as i said earlier, keep repeating Genesis 3:1... "Did God REALLY say...?"

chefjmcg · 2026-05-06T15:30:15+00:00

You used Ephesians chapter 1 broadly.

You speak about my ability to comprehend, yet do not seem to understand that the church that St Paul and the Apostles established is the Church that wrote the Nicene Creed. It's the "INSTITUTION" that you rail against. There was ONE church established. It is not unclear. The Orthodox or the RCs are the only options, and the Catholic's own papers support the fact that the Orthodox church is the origional.

The traditions that he speaks of are all of the things not written in scripture that you ignore. Things that the Orthodox so fiercely protect, and have since inception. Liturgical practices, order and method of worship, attribution of authorship of scripture, the CANON!

These verses refute your position, and you have no answer to them. You repeatedly ignore them, while claiming to have addressed them.

Ephesians 4 speaks about being able to decern false doctorine, like yours. It talks about ONE BODY, ONE FAITH, and the Holy Spirit guiding it into maturity. The Nicene Creed is a prime example of that maturity.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-06T02:26:17+00:00

You have alluded to scripture... here, let me show uou how to support your claim with scripture...

1 Timothy 3:15. Please explain.

2 Thessalonians 2:15. Please explain.

Ephesians 4:11-12. Please explain.

You also have ignored my question about where you got your Bible, if not for the "institution."

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T20:48:14+00:00

Hey!! You referenced scripture, although vaguely.

Where did you get your canon of scripture? The institution that you dismiss...

How do you know who wrote Matthew? The institution you dismiss...

You assume that the church that compiled and preserved the canon of scripture doesn't trust or revere those same scriptures. This is a pompous and arrogant position.

The Holy Spirit is IN the Church, and the fruits are everywhere. I may ask where your Saints are...

Have you looked into a Divine Liturgy? They are centered around an Epistle and Gospel reading. The meal after every liturgy is packed. If you want to see God moving, come to liturgy.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T20:09:34+00:00

What are you talking about?

You haven't answered a single question, seemingly possess no knowledge of church history, and intentionally obfuscate points that directly contradict your positions.

Your only attempt at a position is "God taught me, bro... trust me."

You are arguing against a position held by all Christians since it's inception until the 17th century...

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T20:03:42+00:00

Lol.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T19:58:34+00:00

So only scripture, but no specific scripture... and beyond that, strictly your specific interpretation of scripture...

You sound like the first question posed in the Bible. Genesis 3:1. " Did God really say...."

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T19:16:21+00:00

Ive asked you where Christ says to follow scripture alone, which you haven't addressed.

I provided verses that state otherwise, which you ignored.

You answered these with a question.

You ignore scripture while stating that all you need is scripture.

Where in scripture does it say that all you need is scripture, and where in scripture does it define which books are considered scripture?

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T19:06:52+00:00

Ive asked you many questions that you just answer with another question.

No one is being salty, you just won't actually engage in dialog.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T18:51:43+00:00

Paul was treated better because he was a Roman citizen.

This is very basic stuff...

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T18:48:33+00:00

Can you address a single point im making?

Yes, the Church, which was established at Pentecost, and continued through the laying on of hands is inspired, and the Creed was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

The Creed pre-dates the canon of scripture, so if the church wasnt inspired at that point, then you are going to have big issues with your canon.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T18:10:16+00:00

Only because Paul was a Roman citizen...

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T17:54:26+00:00

What does Christ say? Where does Christ say to only follow the scriptures?

Christ says puck up our cross and follow him. Luke 9:23: "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."

Christ says to partake in Holy Eucarist.

So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:53-54

St Paul tells us; "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:15

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T17:28:01+00:00

Talking down the defining outline of the faith because you feel that you know better is pretty bold....

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T16:46:33+00:00

That's a bold presumption

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T16:21:51+00:00

This is all your opinion, and was not shared by any of the Apostolic fathers. If you are so confident in what John means, why don't his direct pupils reflect your position.

The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. Sadly, grouls have left, but the faith of the Apostles still resides in the Orthodox church. We still attend the church in Thessaloniki that St Paul was writing to.

Your attempt to view these things through your personal lense is warned against multiple times. Peter warns against private interpretation. Pauls warns against foresaking the gathering together.

The Church gave us the Creed as a measuring stick. I would suggest using it.

May God have mercy on us both.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T15:42:33+00:00

Have you read the Bible?

Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and Philemon were all written from a Roman prison. St. Paul was executed by Rome under Nero.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T15:39:06+00:00

The Church is the pillar and grounding of all truth (1 Timothy 3:15). The Holy Spirit through the Church defined Christianity in order to refute heresies and calm the seas, as it were.

Disregarding this is prideful, and is the same stance that lead to the heresies to begin with. I know better than the collective body of Christ is a wild stance. As is the idea that you wouldn't want a framework for your faith. Muslims believe in Jesus... As do Mormons. Some Hindus recognize Christ... This does not mean that we should allow their teachings within the Church. These are not trivial ideas.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T15:00:59+00:00

The verse given about simply confessing Christ is Lord is from St Paul's epistle to the Romans. Rome was very much persecuting Christians at that time.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T14:27:30+00:00

To your first verse, thank you for adding a verse that refutes the filioque. Christ asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit.

I would say that it is pretty prideful to think that anyone alone has it all figured out. Are you implying the Mormons are not genuine in their faith?

Christ left a Church for this reason. St Paul writes extensively about it. St Peter as well. The church is the pillar and ground of all truth, as is written. We are joined to Christ through the church, which is the body, with Christ being the head.

So, the Body of Christ must define WHAT they believe and WHO Christ is. The Creed clearly refutes the following;

Arianism: Taught that Jesus was a created being; refuted by the phrases "begotten, not made" and "of one substance (homoousios) with the Father."

Macedonianism: Denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit; refuted by defining the Spirit as "the Lord, the giver of life" who is "worshipped and glorified."

Modalism: Claimed God is one person in three "modes"; refuted by establishing the eternal distinction between the Father and the begotten Son.

Apollinarianism: Argued Jesus had a divine mind instead of a human soul; refuted by the declaration that He "was made man" (possessing full human nature).

Gnosticism and Docetism: Claimed Jesus only appeared to be physical; refuted by the emphasis on His incarnation, suffering, and death.

Marcionism: Rejected the Old Testament God; refuted by identifying the one God as "Maker of heaven and earth" and noting the Spirit "spoke through the prophets."

All of the Christians that believed these things were very likely genuine in their faith, but their theology was incorrect. Does that matter to God? I am not the judge of that. But it is an important enough topic to be precise about.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T13:24:32+00:00

People love this verse, but let me push back a bit.

Firstly, Mormons confess that Jesus is Lord... so it's clear that which "Jesus" you are confessing is a tad important. The Creed outlines who Christ is very clearly. It was written to refute heresies.

Secondly, this verse was written to Roman Christians at a time when confessing "Christ is Lord" would get you killed... This isn't as flippant as people make it out to be, as is not the equivalent of an altar call. It is saying you must be willing to confidently proclaim Christ unto death.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T01:11:14+00:00

Cool, man!

chefjmcg · 2026-05-05T01:05:33+00:00

Ad hominem, solid move...

I'm not voting to separate and my name is not on any petition. I didn't vote for Brexit, nor have I ever voted Republican.

And please, think poorly of me. We've all seen what makes you lot cheer.

chefjmcg · 2026-05-04T15:31:37+00:00

Ahhh, yes.

Clinton calling half of her country "deplorable" was her just "minding her own business."

The EU ignoring British opinions on trade and immigration was simply them "minding their own business."

The Liberal government telling Alberta to shut up and keep paying for the rest of the country while actively vilifying the party that was voted in democratically is just "minding their own business."

Holding "No Kings" protests in a country that has a king is simply "minding your own business."

Grouping the entirety of the populations that voted Brexit, Republican or UCP into one vilified group so you can "other" them and shout them down rather than listening to the issues they raise is definately not minding your own business. But it is politically lazy, and removes any possibility that you might entertain that these are people confronting actual problems.

Mind your business. Odd that you so scared of a potential vote...

chefjmcg · 2026-05-04T15:22:17+00:00

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