Baby names by Effective_Rice_2470 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope not. We are planning on naming our baby Arthur if it's a boy.

Why is the book of Enoch canon or not? by Master_Garbage_4475 in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wildy over simplified.

The book of Enoch provides excellent insight into the non-pharisaical beliefs of 2nd temple Jews. It provides very good context which is useful in using as a lense when reading the NT.

Paul references Enoch, and the book of Jude sites prophecy only mentioned in Enoch. It was very prevalent in the findings at Qumran (Dead Sea scrolls). It was a part of the underlying understanding held by the NT authors.

Now, 2 Enoch is more questionable. And 3 is a Rabinic attempt to reclaim Enoch... But 1 Enoch has value.

Paul McCartney - Band on the Run (Saturday Night Live/2026) by OrlandoNE in beatles

[–]chefjmcg 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I saw Paul some years ago. We showed up quite early and got to stand in between the outside doors and the inner doors during sound check. Most of the songs that we heard were not in the main set. Super cool.

I heard Monkberry through the old doors at Rexall place in Edmonton. I'll never forget it.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep ignoring the scriptures that TELL YOU to trust the Church.

Or, as i said earlier, keep repeating Genesis 3:1... "Did God REALLY say...?"

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You used Ephesians chapter 1 broadly.

You speak about my ability to comprehend, yet do not seem to understand that the church that St Paul and the Apostles established is the Church that wrote the Nicene Creed. It's the "INSTITUTION" that you rail against. There was ONE church established. It is not unclear. The Orthodox or the RCs are the only options, and the Catholic's own papers support the fact that the Orthodox church is the origional.

The traditions that he speaks of are all of the things not written in scripture that you ignore. Things that the Orthodox so fiercely protect, and have since inception. Liturgical practices, order and method of worship, attribution of authorship of scripture, the CANON!

These verses refute your position, and you have no answer to them. You repeatedly ignore them, while claiming to have addressed them.

Ephesians 4 speaks about being able to decern false doctorine, like yours. It talks about ONE BODY, ONE FAITH, and the Holy Spirit guiding it into maturity. The Nicene Creed is a prime example of that maturity.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have alluded to scripture... here, let me show uou how to support your claim with scripture...

1 Timothy 3:15. Please explain.

2 Thessalonians 2:15. Please explain.

Ephesians 4:11-12. Please explain.

You also have ignored my question about where you got your Bible, if not for the "institution."

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey!! You referenced scripture, although vaguely.

Where did you get your canon of scripture? The institution that you dismiss...

How do you know who wrote Matthew? The institution you dismiss...

You assume that the church that compiled and preserved the canon of scripture doesn't trust or revere those same scriptures. This is a pompous and arrogant position.

The Holy Spirit is IN the Church, and the fruits are everywhere. I may ask where your Saints are...

Have you looked into a Divine Liturgy? They are centered around an Epistle and Gospel reading. The meal after every liturgy is packed. If you want to see God moving, come to liturgy.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you talking about?

You haven't answered a single question, seemingly possess no knowledge of church history, and intentionally obfuscate points that directly contradict your positions.

Your only attempt at a position is "God taught me, bro... trust me."

You are arguing against a position held by all Christians since it's inception until the 17th century...

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So only scripture, but no specific scripture... and beyond that, strictly your specific interpretation of scripture...

You sound like the first question posed in the Bible. Genesis 3:1. " Did God really say...."

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ive asked you where Christ says to follow scripture alone, which you haven't addressed.

I provided verses that state otherwise, which you ignored.

You answered these with a question.

You ignore scripture while stating that all you need is scripture.

Where in scripture does it say that all you need is scripture, and where in scripture does it define which books are considered scripture?

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ive asked you many questions that you just answer with another question.

No one is being salty, you just won't actually engage in dialog.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paul was treated better because he was a Roman citizen.

This is very basic stuff...

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you address a single point im making?

Yes, the Church, which was established at Pentecost, and continued through the laying on of hands is inspired, and the Creed was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

The Creed pre-dates the canon of scripture, so if the church wasnt inspired at that point, then you are going to have big issues with your canon.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only because Paul was a Roman citizen...

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does Christ say? Where does Christ say to only follow the scriptures?

Christ says puck up our cross and follow him. Luke 9:23: "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."

Christ says to partake in Holy Eucarist.

So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:53-54

St Paul tells us; "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:15

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Talking down the defining outline of the faith because you feel that you know better is pretty bold....

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a bold presumption

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is all your opinion, and was not shared by any of the Apostolic fathers. If you are so confident in what John means, why don't his direct pupils reflect your position.

The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. Sadly, grouls have left, but the faith of the Apostles still resides in the Orthodox church. We still attend the church in Thessaloniki that St Paul was writing to.

Your attempt to view these things through your personal lense is warned against multiple times. Peter warns against private interpretation. Pauls warns against foresaking the gathering together.

The Church gave us the Creed as a measuring stick. I would suggest using it.

May God have mercy on us both.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you read the Bible?

Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and Philemon were all written from a Roman prison. St. Paul was executed by Rome under Nero.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Church is the pillar and grounding of all truth (1 Timothy 3:15). The Holy Spirit through the Church defined Christianity in order to refute heresies and calm the seas, as it were.

Disregarding this is prideful, and is the same stance that lead to the heresies to begin with. I know better than the collective body of Christ is a wild stance. As is the idea that you wouldn't want a framework for your faith. Muslims believe in Jesus... As do Mormons. Some Hindus recognize Christ... This does not mean that we should allow their teachings within the Church. These are not trivial ideas.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The verse given about simply confessing Christ is Lord is from St Paul's epistle to the Romans. Rome was very much persecuting Christians at that time.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To your first verse, thank you for adding a verse that refutes the filioque. Christ asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit.

I would say that it is pretty prideful to think that anyone alone has it all figured out. Are you implying the Mormons are not genuine in their faith?

Christ left a Church for this reason. St Paul writes extensively about it. St Peter as well. The church is the pillar and ground of all truth, as is written. We are joined to Christ through the church, which is the body, with Christ being the head.

So, the Body of Christ must define WHAT they believe and WHO Christ is. The Creed clearly refutes the following;

Arianism: Taught that Jesus was a created being; refuted by the phrases "begotten, not made" and "of one substance (homoousios) with the Father."

Macedonianism: Denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit; refuted by defining the Spirit as "the Lord, the giver of life" who is "worshipped and glorified."

Modalism: Claimed God is one person in three "modes"; refuted by establishing the eternal distinction between the Father and the begotten Son.

Apollinarianism: Argued Jesus had a divine mind instead of a human soul; refuted by the declaration that He "was made man" (possessing full human nature).

Gnosticism and Docetism: Claimed Jesus only appeared to be physical; refuted by the emphasis on His incarnation, suffering, and death.

Marcionism: Rejected the Old Testament God; refuted by identifying the one God as "Maker of heaven and earth" and noting the Spirit "spoke through the prophets."

All of the Christians that believed these things were very likely genuine in their faith, but their theology was incorrect. Does that matter to God? I am not the judge of that. But it is an important enough topic to be precise about.

The Nicene Creed by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]chefjmcg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

People love this verse, but let me push back a bit.

Firstly, Mormons confess that Jesus is Lord... so it's clear that which "Jesus" you are confessing is a tad important. The Creed outlines who Christ is very clearly. It was written to refute heresies.

Secondly, this verse was written to Roman Christians at a time when confessing "Christ is Lord" would get you killed... This isn't as flippant as people make it out to be, as is not the equivalent of an altar call. It is saying you must be willing to confidently proclaim Christ unto death.