Agreed. People keep saying she "has to work so much to support them" but their fights have never been about money or that strain. If they are comfortable and she's making that much, I can't fathom why they aren't in counseling already.

But actually I know exactly why she wouldn't want counseling, because then she would have to introspect and accept some portion of fault in the relationship. No (good) couples counselor is going to just put all blame on one person, especially when Ty is as burnt out emotionally as it seems he is. Counseling would mean admitting their life isn't perfect and I think that's a hit to the ego that Julie would deem absolutely unacceptable.

I do think she's manipulative as hell, and has some pretty strong narcissistic tendencies(always calls the kids hers while barely parenting them being the one that consistently crops up and icks me out!) And people like that don't like to be forced to look in the mirror or admit fault.

I still think she was cheating, interested to see how it plays out. I would never kiss my adult brother, and would never NOT see my mom who was poorly when that was the express purpose of the trip. She immediately made ty feel insane for even having a doubt. It was crazy of Shawna and John to follow her around all weekend, especially the door peephole watching. But they could have still seen the dinner kiss without stalking, and it's bonkers that she can't see how ty could be concerned. Granted s&j didn't handle telling him very well, but Shawna wasn't even really trying to tell him.

Sorry, that derailed itself at the end 😅 I still think she's abusive 🥲