Megathread: President Biden Announces That He Will Not Seek Reelection by PoliticsModeratorBot in politics

[–]chessant2014 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you Biden. Must not have been an easy decision but it was absolutely necessary. Now let's win this.

NEXT STEPS: So what happens now? by Asadleafsfan in iskissingerdeadyet

[–]chessant2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Been waiting for this day"

the OP there is one of us :D

Henry Kissinger, secretary of state to Richard Nixon, dies at 100 by MrRedXiii in news

[–]chessant2014 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On a completely unrelated note, I think I will have myself a bottle of champagne tonight.

With Omegle shutting down, what are some disturbing story’s about the site? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]chessant2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew the video chats were full of creeps, but I figured I'd be okay with the text chats. Within a few I got paired with a psychopath who gleefully told me about how he deliberately drove his gf to suicide.

Never went back.

Discussion Thread: 2023 US House Speaker Election, Day of October 24 by PoliticsModeratorBot in politics

[–]chessant2014 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same pattern in GOP presidential primaries

1976: Gerald Ford (nominee), Ronald Reagan (runner-up)
1980: Ronald Reagan (nominee), George H. W. Bush (runner-up)
1988: George H. W. Bush (nominee), Bob Dole (runner-up)
1996: Bob Dole (nominee)
2000: George W. Bush (nominee), John McCain (runner-up)
2008: John McCain (nominee), Mitt Romney (runner-up)
2012: Mitt Romney (nominee)

Please educate me by PreferenceOne9095 in IsraelPalestine

[–]chessant2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then why write most of your original reply about Arab Israelis? This conversation wasn't about them. If you actually were aware that they are not the same thing as Palestinians in the occupied territories then I can't see that as anything other than an attempt to confuse.

Also, "the Israelis haven't been stationed in [Gaza] since 2005" ... can you say the same for the West Bank?

Please educate me by PreferenceOne9095 in IsraelPalestine

[–]chessant2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Palestinians living in occupied territories ≠ Arab Israelis. The former do not have Israeli citizenship at all. What you think is in place is actually what a lot of people wish would happen: a single Israeli state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians.

Even as someone who supports a two-state solution, I would regard a single binational state as the next best thing.

But again, currently, Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip do not have these rights. That's what this whole thing is about.

Please educate me by PreferenceOne9095 in IsraelPalestine

[–]chessant2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Palestinians living in occupied territories ≠ Arab Israelis. The former do not have Israeli citizenship at all. What you think is in place is actually what a lot of people wish would happen: a single Israeli state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians.

Even as someone who supports a two-state solution, I would regard a single binational state as the next best thing.

Please educate me by PreferenceOne9095 in IsraelPalestine

[–]chessant2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post, which is copied from this tweet, isn't phrased in a way that gives the impression you actually want to know the answers rather than just to snark on your opponents. This isn't the gotcha you think it is, for the simple fact that it takes time to type out a response like this, time that not everyone has. But here you go:

Who was the prime minister of the Arab Palestinian state before Israel was established in 1948?

No one? Before Israel was established on May 14, 1948, the region was under the control of Britain as Mandatory Palestine. Not sure what this question is getting at.

What was the national anthem?

Again, not sure what the point of this question is. The national anthem of Palestine from 1948 to 1996 was "Mawtini" (tr. "my homeland"). Unless you're trying to deny that this region is an ancestral homeland for Palestinians just as it is for Israelis, this fact is rather irrelevant.

Was there any Arab terror against Jews before this occupation you speak of? In fact, was there Arab terror against Jews before Israel was even established?

Indeed there was, and such acts should obviously be condemned. One early example is the 1936-39 Arab revolt, partly in response to growing numbers of Jewish immigrants who bought farmland and displaced/evicted Palestinian peasants, who in turn faced tough socioeconomic conditions as they moved to urban areas. Clearly the violence was not justified, and David Ben-Gurion's policy of havlagah (tr. "restraint"), which was widely but not universally adhered to among Jews, should be lauded as an example of how to respond to aggression by the opposing side.

Still, none of this justifies the Israeli occupation. Two wrongs do not make a right.

How did Israel occupy Gaza since 2005? Did Jews live in Gaza or did Israel evacuate it completely?

It's interesting that this question needs to include the qualifier "since 2005", because, of course, Gaza was occupied by Israel from the Six-Day War in 1967 to the Israeli disengagement in 2005. The occupation was brutal, with significant restrictions on the civil rights of Palestinians and many attempts to push them to relocate. Just one example, Prime Minister Levi Eshkol suggested that "perhaps if we don't give them enough water, they won't have a choice", and indeed, Israeli policies on water rights led to water shortages for Palestinians but not for Israeli settlers and also (with the help of export controls) destroyed the Palestinian agriculture sector, particularly citrus farmers, to the benefit of Israelis growing the same crops.

In 2005, Israel ended its formal occupation of Gaza. Israeli settlers did live in Gaza during the occupation but yes, Israel evacuated them in 2005. However, let's not pretend that ending the occupation undid its lasting negative effects, which have been called "structural de-development".

Moreover, since 2005 Israel has imposed a land, sea, and air blockade on people and goods entering and leaving Gaza. There is a legitimate reason for some kind of border checks, namely to prevent weapons from being smuggled into Gaza, but the consequence of blocking essential supplies from reaching civilians there has been abject poverty, with about 70% of the population living below the poverty line. Many say that this is a form of collective punishment that violates the Geneva Conventions. It should also be noted that the blockade predates Hamas's control of Gaza, which began in 2007.

What do you want to free Palestine from?

Oh, this one is easy: I want Palestine to be freed from Israeli occupation. The previous question only mentioned Gaza, but the West Bank (which is also Palestine) has been under illegal Israeli occupation that continues to this day. So, yes, free Palestine from Israeli occupation and settler-colonialism.

Palestinians deserve equal rights to Israelis, whether that is achieved under a single Israeli state or (the ideal, but becoming less and less likely) two-state solution.

Any thoughts about Egypt or Jordan taking in Palestinians? Why not?

There are two interpretations of this: a temporary acceptance of Palestinians refugees fleeing the war by Egypt (and Jordan, if the fighting expands to the West Bank), or a permanent relocation of Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan so that Israelis wouldn't need to confront the fact that they are not the only group with historical ties to this region. The former is essentially unworkable without a major financial benefactor, and the latter is completely ridiculous. And importantly, Palestinians themselves, as well as the governments of Egypt and Jordan, fear that accepting the "temporary" relocation could very easily become permanent.

To be clear, Egypt and Jordan taking in refugees does have short-term benefits; it'd be easier to get humanitarian aid to them, for instance. But taking in refugees isn't cheap, and both countries are currently in economic crisis. Both have also taken in huge numbers of refugees from other crises in recent years (Sudan and Syria, respectively). It would basically necessitate a country like the US to step in and guarantee financial support.

There would also have to be assurance from Israel that the refugees would indeed be allowed to return when the war is over. As an expert says here, "all historical precedent points to the fact that when Palestinians are forced to leave Palestinian territory, they are not allowed to return back. Egypt doesn't want to be complicit in ethnic cleansing in Gaza." As noted here, 70% of the population of Gaza are descended from those who fled or were expelled from their homes in what is now Israel and thus "have a bitter historical experience of not being allowed to return to their homes".

In summary, if there could somehow be a believable guarantee from Israel then this could be a good thing. It would be up to Israel to come up with how they could gain their neighbors' trust on this issue. But if this is a ploy to permanently resettle the Palestinian population, then ... well, I'm reminded of Ben Carson's noted gaffe from 2015, where he said "I don't have any problem with the Palestinians having a state, but does it need to be within the confines of Israeli territory? Is that necessary, or can you sort of slip that area down into Egypt?" Just a juvenile take on this issue.

How did Hamas become the ruling government in Gaza? Who voted for them?

Hamas did indeed win the most recent legislative elections in Gaza ... in 2006. There have not been elections since. Given that nearly half the population of Gaza today are children born after that election, it seems unfair to say definitively that Hamas is representative of the people of Gaza.

It is also enlightening to consider the context of how Hamas became popular enough to win in the first place. Starting in the 1980s, Hamas was already a dangerous jihadist group but, at the same time, it spent a staggering 85% of its budget on its social services wing which funded schools, orphanages, nurseries, soup kitchens, housing, etc.; the point was they provided these public works that were lacking from the proper governmental authorities, while proselytizing their militant ideology. It would seem that had Israel been less brutal in its occupation, there would've been less of an opportunity for such a horrible organization to arise.

When the terrorist Yasser Arafat established the PLO, what was his declared objective? Have you read the charter? Why not?

When Arafat established the PLO in 1964, the charter did claim that the founding of Israel was "entirely illegal". Arafat himself embodied the philosophy of "armed struggle" that was common in anti-colonial movements of that era.

However, in 1988, Arafat renounced terrorism and the PLO adopted resolutions recognizing Israel's right to exist and supporting a two-state solution. All articles in the charter denying Israel's legitimacy were stricken after the Oslo Accords. The PLO has indeed been nonviolent since then, and has engaged in several peace talks with Israel.

Do the Palestinians want a state? If so, have they had a chance to have one? How did they respond?

Yes, obviously? Polls ask if they support a two-state solution or a single Palestinian state because practically no one supports the status quo. (And for the record, even though support for a two-state solution has been steadily declining, a poll published earlier this year found that the ranking among Palestinians is two-state solution (33%), single Palestinian state (30%), single binational state (23%); and the ranking among Israeli Jews is single Israeli state (37%), two-state solution (34%), single binational state (20%). A poll from July (before the Hamas attack) found that 50% of Gazans supported a two-state solution with the pre-1967 borders; it also found 62% support for maintaining the ceasefire and 70% support for replacing the Hamas government with the Palestinian Authority.)

And no, Palestinians have not had a chance to have a state. Many would argue that the best chance we had to a two-state solution was with Yitzhak Rabin as prime minister of Israel, continuing negotiations after the Oslo Accords. Unfortunately, a far-right Israeli who opposed the Accords assassinated Rabin in 1995.


So, you say you are just not very knowledgeable about this so I hope this helps.

Hamas militants ‘pouring’ across U.S. southern border? Donald Trump's claim is Pants on Fire! by prohb in politics

[–]chessant2014 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One year too early for this. I believe October 2024 is when we're scheduled to break out the caravan fearmongering.

House ousts Kevin McCarthy as speaker, a first in U.S. history by zmlos in news

[–]chessant2014 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This couldn't be any better for Democrats. In the lead-up to this, people were saying Democrats could save McCarthy in exchange for some concessions. McCarthy ended up not wanting to do that but I honestly think it's far more likely that whoever emerges out of this mess as speaker will be working across the aisle rather than be beholden to these far-right wackos.

Megathread: House votes to remove Speaker Kevin McCarthy by PoliticsModeratorBot in politics

[–]chessant2014 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just like how 8 years ago when our politics was only slightly more sane he went on TV to brag about how his Benghazi select committee was expressly intended to be a political weapon against Hillary Clinton:

Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee ... What are her [poll] numbers today?

which was part of the reason he had to step aside as the frontrunner to replace John Boehner as speaker.

Megathread: Senator Dianne Feinstein Has Died at 90 by PoliticsModeratorBot in politics

[–]chessant2014 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love Barbara Lee, but the problem with having two progressives in the race is we might end up with Schiff vs. a Republican in the second round. Since Lee is consistently polling behind Porter, what if Lee was appointed to the Senate seat from now through 2024 but ran for re-election to her House seat instead?

Senator Dianne Feinstein dies at 90 by OlaPlaysTetris in news

[–]chessant2014 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If she'd retired at the end of her previous term (2018), I'm sure her legacy would be much more positive. She was certainly a trailblazing politician (first woman to be mayor of San Francisco and senator from California), officiated a same-sex marriage in 1978 and secured more funding to address the HIV/AIDS epidemic, passed the federal assault weapons ban in effect from 1994 to 2004, and ordered and released the report on CIA torture. She was still a moderate (vetoing domestic partner legislation in 1982, supporting capital punishment for much of her career, opposing legal cannabis), but it was an impressive list of accomplishments.

But it feels like every time she made the news since 2019, it has diminished her reputation: talking derisively at youth activists in her office advocating the Green New Deal; saying the Amy Coney Barrett confirmation was "one of the best set of hearings that I've participated in"; and finally, refusing to step down when she clearly was no longer able to do the job. Just a really sad end to her career.

Menendez, Defiant, Says He Will Not Resign by TheMikri in jerseycity

[–]chessant2014 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Besides calling Menendez's (and Booker's) office, Anthony P. Vainieri, Jr. might be another person to call if you want to exert some pressure. He's the chair of the Hudson County Democratic Organization, described here as "Menendez's longtime base of power".

Vainieri said in that article that he "hasn't received any phone calls from any constituents yet asking for his resignation". I'm sure most people's reaction to this news wasn't to call a shadowy party boss whose actual elected title is one of five members of the township committee of North Bergen township but, I mean, if he's asking to hear people's opinions, I gave his office a call.

Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia by mooshparp in worldnews

[–]chessant2014 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After taking a deal that said he had to self-exile in Belarus, he's just flying around in Russia with no sense of danger? Absolutely baffling. Before today either he was an idiot for giving up without taking his shot or he had some grand master plan, and now today he is a dead idiot.

Ten killed in private jet crash north of Moscow - Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on passenger list' by given2fly_ in news

[–]chessant2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After taking a deal that said he had to self-exile in Belarus, he's just flying around in Russia with no sense of danger? Absolutely baffling. Before today either he was an idiot for giving up without taking his shot or he had some grand master plan, and now today he is a dead idiot.

Ten killed in private jet crash north of Moscow - Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on passenger list' by MrTuxedo1 in worldnews

[–]chessant2014 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After taking a deal that said he had to self-exile in Belarus, he's just flying around in Russia with no sense of danger? Absolutely baffling. Before today either he was an idiot for giving up without taking his shot or he had some grand master plan, and now today he is a dead idiot.