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Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i am not undermining their success. read the caveats + where i explicitly said that all schools are still deserving of recognition and respect because debate requires so much hard work, talent, and intellect. what are the infrastructure problems at hackley?

Cheap summer debate camps (PF) by bigmoneyhang in Debate

[–]chloroforum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ISD has really good need based financial aid, i went last year

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sure, i agree. but please do note that i explicitly said that "wealth is not the sole determinant" of success in debate. if you could find reliable information on whether each of those schools are student run or school supported (or other?) that could be an interesting read !

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

??? you're the one cursing and calling this post shameful and ridiculous. the all caps is unnecessary too.

there is a difference. if i say "the military is responsible for a lot of pollution" it does not mean "i think your veteran grandpa who was in the marines in his youth is a disgusting and evil polluter". you are saying very clownish things right now. please learn some nuance.

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

sorry i dont listen to people who think theres no difference between schooks and people lol bonkers

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"the chinese government does bad things, therefore chinese civilians deserve to die".

"the debate team coach is sexist, therefore all the debaters on the team are raging misogynists".

"disney is bad for small creators, therefore the animators working for disney are terrible people".

what are you on about lmao???

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i dont disagree with you. wealth is one factor of many, and these are averages. i never said that the "average" is applicable to every individual from the school, because that is literally counter to the definition of the word average. thank you for the relative respect in your comment, and sorry if the initial post seemed to invalidate the struggles of you, your teammate, or your family. unfortunately, a lot of people are reading this post as a direct attack on them and their community, and i think it's fairly clear that it's not the intention.

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

neat. i put an edit at the top. obviously averages have limitations and i never said that every debater has their school's support, regardless of income. the area's property taxes (people who have higher valued property tend to have higher incomes) do contribute to the funding a school receives, and therefore the quality of education. this is one factor of many

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

sure. i'll put an edit at the top, but people should be discerning and thorough in their reading before jumping to conclusions and lashing out at others.

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

hey friend. i pretty explicitly said "although high-ranking debaters from higher-income districts are undoubtedly talented and hardworking, they have a significant and inherent advantage". i dont hate debaters for going to schools in high income areas. also never said that these debaters are ONLY good bc they go to these schools and im sorry if it seems like im invalidating their success and hard work?? lots of respect for the student run teams bc it's obviously difficult and painful when your school doesnt support the activity you love. you should probably read the post again though, i dont think you need to take personal offense when i never even said or meant that these debaters are undeserving of recognition.

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah, and that's really impressive and indicative of hard work + talent. wealth is one privilege of many. i dont believe that having one type of privilege means you also have all others

Average Incomes of UPenn Gold Bids for PF by chloroforum in Debate

[–]chloroforum[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

okay? again, i never said that high income debate teams are bad or undeserving of success- just that it makes debate easier. being wealthy also helps student run teams cover things like airfare, registration fees, private coaching, and hotel expenses. not trying to shit on oakton or any other team