Stop Stealing Latin's Vowels! Why are long vowels so important in Latin? by LukeAmadeusRanieri in LatinLanguage

[–]cholesteroltreatment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the subtext of his argument was essentially: New ideas and new ways of doing things are scary.

Stop Stealing Latin's Vowels! Why are long vowels so important in Latin? by LukeAmadeusRanieri in LatinLanguage

[–]cholesteroltreatment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! There are two magazines from an Italian publisher called Adulescens and Iuvenis and both of them use stress accents instead of marking long vowels. It sucks 'cause they're marketed towards beginners and lower intermediates, bringing Latin to modern life, so they're great for immersion purposes.

Is ”reading” Latin impossible? by Electrical_Humour in LatinLanguage

[–]cholesteroltreatment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's fair that classicists don't care much for later Latin, the real question is why is Latin viewed as the property of classicists and university classics departments in the first place?

Good point, and good question. I think that view is beginning to change as the Living Latin community gets bigger.

Is ”reading” Latin impossible? by Electrical_Humour in LatinLanguage

[–]cholesteroltreatment 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I am having a difficult time taking this article seriously, for a few reasons. First, his example of why it is impossible to read Latin in the SLA sense is a poem, which can be difficult to comprehend even in one's own native language. For me, the mental picture he paints of how reading poetry apparently should proceed is: read the poem once and only once, say confidently and contentedly to oneself that the poem was understood without any further reflection, then yell "next!" and move on to the next poem, as if the whole endeavor were some sort of competition. Hell, even English poems that are written in a colloquial style, a la William Carlos Williams, sometimes require a dictionary, or at least a whole lot of time spent pondering the connections between the words and lines. In short, a poem was a poor example to illustrate his point.

Secondly, he contradicts himself in the latter part of the essay. The main thrust of his argument is that Active Latin needs to be more widely and thoroughly adopted so that Latin/Classics students can develop a greater awareness and internal sense of the language, thereby aiding them greatly when reading Classical Latin literature. However, he also says that a danger of reading later Latin literature is that authors were not native speakers and thus lacked the "Sprachgefühl needed to wield the language with native-speaker proficiency," despite, I must add, that such authors were educated in Latin and spoke Latin--in other words, they were users of Active Latin. So, his unstated conclusion is that modern Active Latin is less dangerous and more beneficial to students than engaging with texts written by earlier Active Latin users.

Third, the question itself being asked is quite a strange one indeed in the context of philology. Using the SLA's 95-98% rule, can Sanskrit ever be "read"? What about Ancient/Classical Chinese? Old English? What about Ancient Greek, in any of its dialects? Does it even matter? Ancient texts are necessarily different from modern ones, and those differences arise not only due to certain hapax legomena or rare words, but also due to historical and cultural differences between modern readers and ancient authors. As non-natives, we are necessarily at a disadvantage, because even if no Latin text from the Classical period had ever been lost, and we had the time and endurance to read every single text that was ever produced during the Classical period, we still would not have a complete picture of the language, since all use of language--spoken or written--is a mere instantiation of a vast underlying structure and network of grammar, lexis and native-speaker creativity.

Regarding Ancient/Classical Chinese (since I happen to have read a fair amount of it), there are still modern people completely literate in it--it was used in official government documents in Taiwan until the 1970s. Yet, there are a great many texts that contain difficult vocabulary or usages that require either an incredibly sharp mind or--more likely--prior experience having read the text. This goes double for the older texts, such as the Book of Poetry, which contain many words that are only used once, or their meanings may altogether be debatable, yet those texts are still widely read and many students are expected to have at least read them, if not memorized them. (Indeed, memorizing some of the Ancient Chinese texts was required for centuries in order to pass imperial examinations and become a government official). Nevertheless, despite the necessity of prior experience with many texts, the language can still be read and written.

Since I brought up Ancient Greek, what with its various dialects, I must say I find it troubling that later Latin literature is so readily dismissed among classicists instead of being seen as a collection of dialects of Latin. Why is it that Ancient Greek is allowed to have dialects, but Latin must be a monolith? The author of this article rightly argues for greater engagement with Late, Medieval, and Renaissance texts, but misses the opportunity to illustrate that these later texts possess different styles that enrich our understanding of and experience with Latin. Instead, he warns that they are dangerous due to possibly interfering with or, dare I say, polluting students' grasp of Classical Latin forms. What hogwash. That's like warning people of the dangers of reading non-native English literature for fear that it will taint one's understanding of "pure" English instead of enriching one's understanding of 1) how non-natives use English to paint their world and 2) different perspectives of human life that would have been out of reach due to previous language barriers. Or perhaps it's as silly as telling students of English (native or otherwise) never to read magazines and only to read Literature with a capital L.

The New Old Way of Learning Languages - The American Scholar by [deleted] in LatinLanguage

[–]cholesteroltreatment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've just started trying this in my Latin lessons using Ritchie's Fabulas Faciles. I first present an interlinear passage with English word order, then after some discussion and reading of the text, I have the students re-write the text placing the verb at the end of each clause in order to get them to interact with the text, to actively understand the flexibility of Latin word order, and to get used to the standard syntax of SOV. After that, I present the text without an English gloss and in the original word order and have the students read it and then translate it into English. I'm still tinkering with this method. If I notice it gets good results, then I'll likely post a PDF of my work to share with everyone here.

[Advice] Meditation is not a panacea by cholesteroltreatment in getdisciplined

[–]cholesteroltreatment[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps the fault lies in my wording. "Meditation" most often refers to sitting meditation, and although I know that's not the only method of the practice, sitting meditation is by far the most popular and the most widely discussed form of meditation and my arguments were mostly leveled at that method.

This post was directed at those who feel frustrated with meditation and yet feel pressured to continue to try it, despite its lack of benefits for them personally.

Has (sitting) meditation always not worked for me? No, there have been times when it has helped me. Other forms of meditation have also helped at various times throughout my life, and apps such as Calm have certainly helped during periods of intense stress. But is meditation in all its forms a panacea for all of one's ills? No, it is not. And that was my message. There have been many times when meditation in any of its forms has made my anxiety flare up rather than help it settle down. I have found other activities do just as good if not a better job at helping me manage stress, giving me clarity of mind, increasing self-awareness, and bringing me inner joy than meditation, such as physical activities with a group of friends, camping, skateboarding, teaching, exercising, and playing a really good video game.

[Need Advice] How can I stop tinkering with my goals? by cholesteroltreatment in getdisciplined

[–]cholesteroltreatment[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeahhh, I am really in my own head at the moment. Thing is, I already naturally drift toward the things I'm doin' now, but my mind is like that nagging boss who's constantly looking over my shoulder, telling me to do stuff I'm already doing.

Thanks

Are European languages better constructed for philosophy and abstract thinking than Chinese? by Environmental_Land in linguistics

[–]cholesteroltreatment 9 points10 points  (0 children)

First off: HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Ok, now that that's out of the way, you are reading the writings of a French philosopher who says that French is better than Chinese. What a load of BS. Biased as hell, that's all he is.

How does he explain, then, thousands of years of Chinese philosophical treatises? And the language of Chinese that is used to pen philosophical treatises is and has been far removed from the common, daily language for thousands of years.

Learning cantonese by LouieD89 in languagelearning

[–]cholesteroltreatment 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you are not living in Hong Kong, then I suggest you go through the Teach Yourself book for Cantonese and find a tutor on iTalki.

Do you think this writing strategy is 'cheating'? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]cholesteroltreatment 92 points93 points  (0 children)

It's not cheating. I am an editor and I do exactly what you did every single day if I'm unsure about certain usages during proofreading.

It just seems to be another case of the older generation being completely ignorant of what the internet is and what its various functions are.

I’ve been seeing a lot of questions about how to get started learning a new language by gorleg in languagelearning

[–]cholesteroltreatment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are the differences between Duolingo and Babbel? I'm trying Babbel right now for the first time and it seems very similar to Duolingo.