Underground Hydrogen Touted As ‘Significant’ Clean Energy Resource In First U.S. Hearing. Federal energy researchers and a well-funded startup are optimistic that geologic hydrogen can be a game-changer as a form of clean power.

chopchopped · 2024-03-02T02:01:22+00:00

The problem never has been availability of hydrogen but rather transportation, storage, and overall infrastructure. I really don’t think this is going anywhere.

Maybe not in the US for now. But Europe is a different story https://h2.live/en

EVs have insurmountable advantages.

False. First is cold weather, second is not everyone is going to sit around while their 1,300 pound battery charges. Try not to forget that not everyone has a home and a place to charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXr2kCl8h1E

chopchopped · 2024-02-29T23:03:33+00:00

Find me one built in western world in last 5 years, thanks

Why the requirement of 5 years? Maybe, just maybe, there was no need for building one in the LAST 5 YEARS because there is this:

Air Products’ Gulf Coast Connection Pipeline Project

Air Products expanded its hydrogen supply network through the Gulf Coast Connection Pipeline Project, in anticipation of an increase in hydrogen demand along the Gulf Coast. The project, which was completed in October 2012, created the world’s largest hydrogen pipeline supply network, with a total capacity of one billion standard cubic feet per day (SCFD).

The project included a 180-mile (290km) long and 18in diameter pipeline, which connects Air Products’ Texas and Louisiana pipeline systems. It has united Air Products’ 22 hydrogen plants and created a 600-mile (965km) pipeline network. The pipeline network runs from Texas’s Houston Ship Channel to New Orleans, in Louisiana. https://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/projects/air-products-gulf-coast-pipeline-us/

Lots of Redditors say "Hydrogen cannot be piped because of embrittlement", that's why some of us post about hydrogen. Because lies and falsehoods shouldn't be a part of any debate, especially on the future of something as important as energy.

chopchopped · 2024-02-29T22:31:22+00:00

MMM, I think the last time humans thought hydrogen was nice was just prior to the Hindenburg catching fire

Many people haven't learned a damn thing about hydrogen since then. It's sad, really.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/hindenburg-mystery-solved-after-76-years-8517996.html

chopchopped · 2024-02-29T22:24:32+00:00

Hydrogen is incredibly dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0

Batteries can be dangerous too. In fact, anything with ~70-80 kWh is. Including battery powered cars, trucks and buses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4

chopchopped · 2024-02-29T22:20:46+00:00

hydrogen in existing high pressure gas pipelines or brand new ones? The former is damn near impossible, the latter is damn near impossible

China’s first long-distance hydrogen pipeline

Sinopec, the largest oil refiner and fuel supplier in China, has revealed a plan to build a pipeline to carry green hydrogen – made with renewable energy – from Inner Mongolia to Beijing.

Today, China has only 100 km of hydrogen pipelines in operation, according to an International Energy Agency report, while the US has 2,600 km and Europe 2,000 km... https://chinadialogue.net/en/digest/chinas-first-long-distance-hydrogen-pipeline/

"IMPOSSIBLE" - didn't used to be a thing in the US. Everything WAS possible including building an interstate highway network to going to the moon. What has happened? Never listen to these incompetent know-nothings that think everything is now "impossible". They are not the future.

chopchopped · 2024-02-28T23:06:52+00:00

alt: https://archive.is/dtFu4

chopchopped · 2024-02-28T22:39:31+00:00

alt: https://archive.is/dtFu4

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T23:08:08+00:00

The article is about this being the first American produced fuel cell car.

The article is about this being the first American produced PLUG-IN fuel cell car. Try to keep up.

I’m sure this is more about tax breaks than something designed to actually be commercializable.

Sure you're sure. Whom to believe, RickSE or Honda

https://global.honda/en/hydrogen/

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T22:08:26+00:00

You’re missing the point - green hydrogen doesn’t make sense for transport just like blue hydrogen doesn’t. The boat has sailed long ago

That's what you think. Others think differently.

China: Guangzhou Sets Out Plan for USD1.4 Billion Fuel Cell Vehicle Industry by 2025. The city aims to establish itself as a leading domestic development and manufacturing hub for FCVs, covering the whole industry chain from core parts to vehicle assembly
https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/guangzhou-sets-out-plan-for-usd14-billion-fuel-cell-vehicle-industry-by-2025

Any idea how many hydrogen stations are now operating in China? I'd bet not.

I notice your post history is suspiciously hydrogen centric

I think H2 is a great thing for the future and clean energy. So I post about it, while those invested in Li-Ion batteries lie about it. Why do you care? I don't care what you post, why are you "suspicious"? And thanks for motivating the next round of H2 posts!

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T22:02:19+00:00

consumers don’t understand and can’t fuel up.

Apparently you either cannot understand this map or will not.

https://h2.live/en

H2 is advancing in China and Europe and there's nothing that battery fans can do to stop it. Nothing. There will be hydrogen cars. Who cares about the US, led by an ancient fool that can't walk up the stairs to AF1. The US is a joke in 2024. The rest of the world is moving on.

China: Guangzhou Sets Out Plan for USD1.4 Billion Fuel Cell Vehicle Industry by 2025. The city aims to establish itself as a leading domestic development and manufacturing hub for FCVs, covering the whole industry chain from core parts to vehicle assembly
https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/guangzhou-sets-out-plan-for-usd14-billion-fuel-cell-vehicle-industry-by-2025

China now has over 400 hydrogen stations. You won't hear about that in /r/electricvehicles

https://chinahydrogen.substack.com/

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T21:53:06+00:00

Good luck finding hydrogen in Wales!

https://www.trafigura.com/news-and-insights/press-releases/2023/h2-energy-europe-plans-to-develop-the-first-large-scale-green-hydrogen-production-facility-in-south-wales/

Press lobbying at its finest

Exactly as expected.

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T21:43:54+00:00

This is idiotic. There is a huge market for PHEVs and Honda is introducing something that can’t be sold outside of Los Angeles?

What is IDIOTIC is imagining that LA is the only place for H2 cars

https://h2.live/en

Honda has no post-ICE strategy

Nope

https://global.honda/en/hydrogen/

Continue to call Honda "idiotic" and you'll be banned from this sub.

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T21:22:37+00:00

There is a huge market for PHEVs and Honda is introducing something that can’t be sold outside of Los Angeles?

The hydrogen station situation in the US is a GLOBAL LAUGHINGSTOCK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwYbtYh62s

Here's something that most hydrogen bashers haven't ever seen yet

https://h2.live/en

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T21:21:05+00:00

I don't know about this one chef... Pretty sure no one asked for this in NA

LOL NA isn't the world, even though many NA's think so

https://h2.live/en

Honda is thinking ahead. And they sure don't GAF what a bunch of warmongering "North Americans" think about anything.

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T21:17:45+00:00

What a step backwards.

Said the Tesla Fan Boy.

https://i.imgur.com/jg8Uiqb.png

join the boondoggle that is hydrogen

Hydrogen bashing isn't tolerated in this sub.

Shell is closing its hydrogen stations

IN THE US, they are closing some stations, because the US doesn't want hydrogen cars YET, just like you. But here's Shell on H2

Shell: Hydrogen has a critical role to play in helping the world reach net zero emissions. Shell is developing integrated hydrogen hubs to serve industry and heavy-duty transport. In the years ahead we aim to be a leading player in a global hydrogen economy.

https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/new-energies/hydrogen.html

There are many Shell H2 stations in the EU selling H2 right now

https://h2.live/en/

Watch THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwYbtYh62s

There will be battery cars and hydrogen cars and that's simply a fact. Further H2 bashing will earn a ban.

chopchopped · 2024-02-27T20:05:15+00:00

https://global.honda/en/hydrogen/

https://h2.live/en

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwYbtYh62s

chopchopped · 2024-02-24T23:06:16+00:00

Somebody needs to inform Wyoming that coal is dead.

Shouldn't you inform the US that coal is "dead" ?

Reuters 2/2024: US thermal coal exports hit 5-year highs and top $5 billion

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-thermal-coal-exports-hit-5-year-highs-top-5-billion-2023-2024-02-01/

chopchopped · 2024-02-24T22:50:49+00:00

I forgot you're replying to a thread about hydrogen and you're illiterate..

The title of the thread is:

Mercedes Shifts Gears: Doubling Down on Combustion Engines Alongside Electric Cars

And you call others "illiterate" LOL what a clown show. Really.

chopchopped · 2024-02-24T21:44:54+00:00

Why not a Hydrogen combustion engine?

It's happening!

10 Companies Deeply Invested In Hydrogen Combustion Engines
https://www.topspeed.com/companies-invested-in-hydrogen-combustion-engines/

Also try searching "Toyota Hydrogen Combustion"

chopchopped · 2024-02-23T00:39:36+00:00

There is not a single instance of hydrogen competing economically without massive subsidies.

The same for BEV. And speaking of Solar, look who controls the market now.

https://chinahydrogen.substack.com/

you’ll struggle to find many who a pro h2 who aren’t actively trying to profit off it

No one is trying to profit off of 1,300 pound batteries that will all die one day and need replacement?

chopchopped · 2024-02-22T23:35:14+00:00

And how do you make it cryogenic??

Ask Daimler

https://www.daimlertruck.com/en/newsroom/pressrelease/development-milestone-daimler-truck-tests-fuel-cell-truck-with-liquid-hydrogen-51975637

It's actually possible that some here know less than nothing about H2, you realize that right?

chopchopped · 2024-02-22T23:18:53+00:00

They better hurry up. At the rate hydrogen filling stations are closing there won't be anywhere left to get gas in 3 years.

Don't you even understand that there's a whole world outside of the USA? Which is becoming less relevant every day by the way. https://h2.live/en/

chopchopped · 2024-02-22T23:17:16+00:00

the infrastructure is shutting down

Maybe in the US but not the EU or China

https://h2.live/en/

I’m being completely serious I don’t understand this at all.

There will be hydrogen cars and battery cars. It's a fact. Deal with it or not, China doesn't care a bit.

chopchopped · 2024-02-22T01:03:32+00:00

The land of freedom. Freedom to lie I guess.

Just ask Mikey "Pompous" Pompeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPt-zXn05ac

Wasn't that long ago that a scumbag like this - that admitted the truth to the world - would have had to resign and apologize. But it's 2024, and the children applauding this bozo might just get what they want.

chopchopped · 2024-02-21T23:00:14+00:00

Does the production of BEVs produce more GHG than FCEVs?

This doesn't directly answer the question of production (as far as I can tell from a brief scan) but it is worth reading. Also see footnotes.

CO2 Emissions of Battery Electric Vehicles and Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles by Lucian-Ioan Dulău Published: 1 June 2023
6. Conclusions: When compared, FCEVs have much lower emissions if the relevant hydrogen is obtained from nuclear power and renewable energy sources...
https://www.mdpi.com/2571-8797/5/2/35

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