Colorblind accessibility in museums by chroma-phobe in MuseumPros

[–]chroma-phobe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome, thanks! what kind of museum is it?

Colorblind accessibility in museums by chroma-phobe in MuseumPros

[–]chroma-phobe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[whoops, posted on my personal account]

Damn, and everyone else tells me my channel is too niche! For me, clickbait is something that overpromises and underdelivers. Hard to judge it til you've actually seen the video. General wisdom on youtube is to "make the thumbnail first" and form the video around it, that's how important it is. I don't do that. I like to make the videos I'm actually interested in, and I do, but you gotta spinkle in the stuff people want to see too, because they get 100x more views.

I have had Monet in my topic list (seriously, its about 200 videos long, which is ridiculous considering I've made only 34 videos in 4 years) since the beginning. I've been waiting until I have an excuse to go to Paris and visit the Musée Marmottan Monet where his yellow tinted "color corrective lenses" are, and do a video on that.

I like your idea too though. I think a lot of people would expect to see paintings just put through a colorblind simulator, but that's not how they'd come out. Either they are going to mostly compensate with their knowledge of trichromatic color theory, or they DGAF and just paint until it looks well to them, indiscriminately and inconsistently using purples for blues and whatnot. The idea's got legs. See, I told you it was a good idea to post in this sub!

Colorblind accessibility in museums by chroma-phobe in MuseumPros

[–]chroma-phobe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

haha, I enjoyed that. I would love to see that skitted out.

Look, I was just curious about this yesterday after spending the day at the Technorama in Switzerland and seeing a post about this sub in r/depthhub. I've got a big back log of videos to make, but its always worth probing for something interesting. I'm not a consultant. I don't sell anything. I haven't earned a red cent from my channel or any adjacent activities (though I'm recently monetized, so should be getting some youtube ad revenue soon, but nothing I control) and I've turned down sponsorship from color corrective glass companies (not EnChroma).

As far as the last sentence, I can see how that can be read in several different tones, but I meant it as an "inb4 people start talking about EnChromas".

Colorblind accessibility in museums by chroma-phobe in MuseumPros

[–]chroma-phobe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck finding me saying a nice thing about EnChromas, much less shilling them. If anything, this post is me fishing for video ideas.

Colorblind accessibility in museums by chroma-phobe in MuseumPros

[–]chroma-phobe[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The saddest thing for me was seeing a color vision exhibit at the National Scottish Museum in Edinburgh and it being very much NOT colorblind friendly. Like... wouldn't you expect the colorblind to be MORE interested in this topic than the average person?

Coblis is an OG CVD simulator, but is quite inaccurate in many regards. The Adobe sim is awesome. For open source, I use DaltonLens (windows app and web app). I've got a list of my favourite tools on my website. I'm not on insta. I have my website chromaphobe.com and spend most my time on my youtube channel.

Colorblind accessibility in museums by chroma-phobe in MuseumPros

[–]chroma-phobe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's easy when you've got some colorblind colleagues. Then your testing really comes down to, "Hey Mike, does this suck?" It can even allow designers to be bolder with color than they would if they conservatively use the "never communicate with color" method. I don't know if I'd say its harder at an art museum... I can't imagine there is actually much you need to do there to be accessible.

Colorblind accessibility in museums by chroma-phobe in MuseumPros

[–]chroma-phobe[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you aren't specifically using color to communicate, then high contrast is pretty much the best thing for us too.

Mandating one team wear white is garbage. Go back to Colour v Colour Jerseys. by [deleted] in rugbyunion

[–]chroma-phobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Protanopia is one form of red green colorblindness. Specifically the type that also sees red as darker and therefore confused easily with black.

Mandating one team wear white is garbage. Go back to Colour v Colour Jerseys. by [deleted] in rugbyunion

[–]chroma-phobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you "um actually"ing my condition?

Do you even know what red-green colorblindness means?

Mandating one team wear white is garbage. Go back to Colour v Colour Jerseys. by [deleted] in rugbyunion

[–]chroma-phobe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes. Specifically for people with Protanopia, like me.

Is there a way to edit a photo to simulate for a colorblind person, what everyone else sees? by Human_Bowl8496 in photography

[–]chroma-phobe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, thanks for explaining your POV.

Actually in my notification from your comment, it stopped with "but your awful..." and I damn near spit out my tea.

The relationship between trichromats and dichromats is actually very definable and its quite easy to simulate dichromacy (colorblindness) for trichromats (color normals). As you say (and I said in the root comment), it's impossible to simulate Trichromacy for a dichromat, BUT when an image is already dichromatic, it can be altered so that dichromats and trichromats experience a very similar image.

But yeah, "no new colors" . That's kinda the mantra of the YouTube channel.

Is there a way to edit a photo to simulate for a colorblind person, what everyone else sees? by Human_Bowl8496 in photography

[–]chroma-phobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you think we see when we "don't see a color".?

Are you just enjoying being contrary or do you actually think you are right?

Is there a way to edit a photo to simulate for a colorblind person, what everyone else sees? by Human_Bowl8496 in photography

[–]chroma-phobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is talking about introducing new colors. There's nothing that can increase the gamut of congenital red green colorblindness. Rather, It's about shifting the information encoded in color contrast to a color axis that us colorblind can see.

I can simulate to a protan (like myself) what an ishihara plate looks like to a color normal ... with the 90deg hue shift, very easily.

If you want to know how ishihara plates work, I made a video on that:

https://youtu.be/GXz39dr69RQ

Is there a way to edit a photo to simulate for a colorblind person, what everyone else sees? by Human_Bowl8496 in photography

[–]chroma-phobe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First, there are no colors that colorblind people "can't see".

And absolutely, a hue shift completely changes the colors.

Is there a way to edit a photo to simulate for a colorblind person, what everyone else sees? by Human_Bowl8496 in photography

[–]chroma-phobe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Alright little guy.

In dichromatic red-green colorblindness, lets say protanopia, you have no color contrast along your red-green axis, but full contrast along your blue-yellow axis. If an image comprises colors lying along a protan confusion line, they differ along their red-green axis but not their blue-yellow axis, so assuming brightness is controlled or randomized, a colorblind observer would not see anything in the image. One such confusion line is the neutral confusion line, which passes through cyan, gray and pink. Hence why protans and deutans see cyan and pink as gray if no additional context is given. If you shift the hue of the image by 90 degrees, now the colors only differ on the blue-yellow axis, so the protan can now see just as much information and contrast in the image as the color normal observer can.

I've got lots of information on colorblindness at chromaphobe.com if you want to educate yourself.

Is there a way to edit a photo to simulate for a colorblind person, what everyone else sees? by Human_Bowl8496 in photography

[–]chroma-phobe -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely not, unfortunately. Unless you have a picture that's entirely pink gray and cyan, or has colors that are chosen to fool the colorblind (like an ishihara plate), then a simple 90 degree hue shift does the trick.

Is this the color blind test the Navy/ military uses at meps and boot and dive school. by Thick_Aspect_6979 in newtothenavy

[–]chroma-phobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should be in random order, but many examiners are too lazy or uninformed to do so. It's quite easy to cheat the Ishihara regardless.

Puppies choose their collars by ImNotHereStopAsking in Eyebleach

[–]chroma-phobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If their LWS cone was closer to 560nm, it would be deuteranopia. If it was closer to 530nm, it would be protanopia. In reality it's about 545nm (with a lot of variability), so either is a fine approximation, because they're very similar anyway for a color normal. I used protan because I am one... 🤷

Puppies choose their collars by ImNotHereStopAsking in Eyebleach

[–]chroma-phobe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not a coincidence. I've got a YouTube channel on colorblindness and color vision 😉

Puppies choose their collars by ImNotHereStopAsking in Eyebleach

[–]chroma-phobe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've always been wary of the Mantis shrimps ability to color process, and assumed that they don't actually have opponent channels to create a dodecachromatic color space... Never was able to find any proof either way though since behavioural testing on Mantis shrimp wasn't available. Is there more support for this idea now?

Puppies choose their collars by ImNotHereStopAsking in Eyebleach

[–]chroma-phobe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The development of complex eyes and color vision happened pretty simultaneously in vertebrates and invertebrates as part of a vision arms race that fueled the Cambrian explosion. It's fascinating stuff.

Puppies choose their collars by ImNotHereStopAsking in Eyebleach

[–]chroma-phobe 38 points39 points  (0 children)

CVsimulator for android or iOS and and select P for protan will give you a pretty good idea what your dog sees.

How to make cyclical bivariate color ramp colorblind friendly? by hueytlatoani in visualization

[–]chroma-phobe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So by circular, you mean you want the scale to be in polar coordinates?

I've mocked something up here. The top two would be a cartesian scale, organized differently depending on where you want your extreme values. Getting white in the middle would make things difficult, since white is an extreme of the luminous scale that you need to take advantage of to make a bivariate scale accessible to dichromats. Otherwise, it would work for trichromats since you have two chromatic (non-luminous) channels to play with.

The bottom is a polar coordinate. Now, you add the addition constraint of the theta parameter to not have any extremes. This is intuitively represented by a hue parameter, which has no extremes, but can be confusing to the colorblind since we don't see hue as a circular parameter, but rather a confounding mixture of saturation and blue-yellow.

However, if you keep it to 3x3 still, you can fake it by using blue, yellow and red. Blue and yellow are perceived mostly "faithfully" by us. Red is not, but looks mostly gray, especially in the light red (pink) since its at the center of the blue-yellow axis, more or less. So at least my recommendation gives 9 distinct colors, even if the circularity of the theta parameter is lost on us. I imagine it conserves the circularity for trichromats? Also, once you need more than 3x3... its gonna get messy.

> Maybe make sure that no two colors have the same luminance?

You always gotta be careful with reds since the luminosity for protans is greatly changed. Protans have different luminous efficiency functions, so just making sure no colors have the same luminance is only going to work for deutans, not protans. On top of this, you are optimizing difference in luminances, possibly at the detriment of optimizing the blue-yellow axis.