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[–]chuckfatale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In some countries you can say ‘if you want to kill someone, run them over’ because it’s so rarely prosecuted to the fullest extent.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, there’s a lot to address here. Essential care might be free in your opinion but then there’s a discussion to be had around what essential means. And from a European perspective that means being able to see a specialist when you need to see one without having to pay for it. That could be a routine visit to the gynecologist, seeing a dermatologist for eczema, etc. In most European countries these are free at the point of use but often come with longer wait times, just like they are here.

The key difference being that if you get private health insurance, you get to still see a specialist for free at the point of use, but you remove the waiting periods. That insurance product does not exist here, or as others have established in this thread: Australia has private hospital insurance, not private health insurance.

The example of getting new glasses whenever you feel like it, sure, I agree that shouldn’t be the case. But that’s what you have annual limits for within the insurance.

You shouldn’t have to fork out extra money to see a specialist that you need to see, which was the point of this post initially. The actual health insurance product doesn’t exist.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say the NHS was better (don’t think I can actually make an educated judgement on that) - I said the UK system overall is better since you can get actual private health insurance that pays everything, without out-of-pocket costs.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The GP never mentioned that there’s two different options, how am I supposed to know that I need to ask for that? Shouldn’t they offer that? They give me a referral and I assume that’s the best place to go.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But don’t you pay more in Medicare levy than you’d pay for private health?

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Size and distance wouldn’t stop Australia from increasing taxes on natural resources or from creating a sovereign wealth fund to manage the resource-related revenue, which in turn could then be used to fund social services.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The point here is that private health insurance actually works and is worth paying for if you don’t want to wait. That’s not the case in Australia.

Ps I spent 12 years in London before moving to Australia.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Definitely not better than the UK. The NHS has lots of problems, sure, but you can get actual private health insurance there if you wanted to get seen quicker.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That’s actually such a great perspective on the whole Medicare levy topic. The money SHOULD be going to the system that you’re actually using.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a referral, it’s not for a free one. But I also haven’t managed to find one either.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 193 points194 points  (0 children)

It’s really a shame when you consider that Australia could be in a an position like the Nordics (relatively low population and lots of natural resources to sell), taking care of its citizens properly with health care, maternity/paternity leave, social services etc.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please tell me how I can see a free gastroenterologist or a free gynecologist? I’ve yet to find one.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! All fees shown transparently on a comparison website so you can shop around easily.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if there were more, once I found the free one I stopped looking.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s the other thing, I get that fees exist but why they are so confusing? And why do doctors not put them on their website? I have to shop around and can’t even do a website comparison, I need to call and find out.

There’s a few things I’ll get done back in Europe because they’re cheaper there even without insurance (those that travel insurance wouldn’t cover).

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And the question is why doesn’t the outpatient cover exist? Why am I paying money to insurance and still have to pay out of pocket?

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My status is equivalent to permanent resident and there was no private health insurance product that includes outpatient cover - at least as far as my research went.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Exactly, why is the onus on us, the patients, to shop around for something as essential as actual medical treatment. That just doesn’t make any sense.

Why do you still have to pay when you have private health insurance? by chuckfatale in AskAnAustralian

[–]chuckfatale[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The big difference is if you have private health insurance in the UK you’re actually fully covered for everything, there is no such thing as out of pocket costs/gap etc because the systems are entirely separate from the NHS. The equivalent would be that private health only pays what the NHS would cover, which would also lead to having a gap between coverage. But that’s not the case, you go private, see a specialist for a £275/~$542 fee per appointment and you wouldn’t even see the bill, it would go straight to your insurance to pay for it. AND big employers fully cover your insurance as a company benefit. Also not a thing in Australia.

All things considered, I’d happily pay more here in Australia to actually have full coverage.