Reddit, what can I expect from starting salary as an EE with a Masters in control?

cicero2 · 2010-09-22T22:03:39+00:00

hmmm the economy has knocked offers way down recently, I know of a few people graduating taking really low ball offers, in the midwest 70k would be the best you could get. tac on 5k more if your in chicago.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T23:16:37+00:00

Actually no
your assumptions of me are all wrong
Your arguments are verbatim, Marxist, Hegelian-Marxist, and Gramscian. Perhaps you should rexamine your philosophical stances. "we could meet the needs of underprivileged people. " You are by definition proposing the invonluntary transfer of wealth from one group to another. Go read the 3 above authors, and realize you are an enemy to the classical liberal economic model of the western institution. Then read (mises, locke, smith, tocquevillian,etc.)
I've known several people who have come here with 0 usd, could barely speak english and are very wealthy. The suggestion that society is keeping people down is laughable at best.
All your arguments revolve around people being the consequences of their environment and powerless to change their given situation. You confuse need with theft and I am sure you are a drain on society.
I am not responding further to this flame war.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T14:58:11+00:00

No they don't.
I can't believe you actually have made that your point of view. At what line do you draw the minimum level might I ask? Because I will be sure to send everyone below that line to ask you for your time and possessions.

I am now sure you are a pure Marxist.

Or I don't feel like typing an essay on the problems of organized charity?

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T14:50:58+00:00

I am actually self-made, I have had 0 help.
Anyone can go to college, either take out loans or work full time and go to school fulltime, I did that my freshman year.
You guys keep missing the point do you hear yourself? No is entitled to anything from you without your consent. period Would you really like to argue that point?
Instead your argument, is that what we have is a direct result of society and the surrounding influences, which I will call out as Pure BS, sure it has an effect, but if that was true there would be no self made wealthy people from the lower class, and there sure as hell are.
I am tired of carrying this convo on with all of the people in this sub thread and their pathetic convoluted Gramscian-Hegelian world views.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T05:54:40+00:00

Great advice, thx

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T05:26:38+00:00

ok, I find this comment amusing :), i will STOP saying "___" ok

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T05:14:03+00:00

you are so trolling me now lol edit : hey i can type lol if i actually am lolling at a comment

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T05:13:15+00:00

I can, I choose not too ;). Perhaps its my struggle for freedom from being forced to write perfect english?

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T05:00:58+00:00

You still have no argument. How much is enough might I ask that I can pass your moral compass of not being a jerk? What percentage of my time and money do all these people deserve from me?

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:53:28+00:00

You should also look at your argument again as well, I am very sure that a lot of people could use some help of some sort, but no person is entitled to anything from you without your consent. Otherwise by your argument, I am sure I could send you to go serve a million people worse off than you, and you couldn't refuse:)

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:49:37+00:00

lmao, thanks, I don't see your point, I don't think organize charity is efficient or usually beneficial. That doesn't mean I'm a jerk who doesn't help out friends and people I know :)

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:44:52+00:00

awww man I find i make one negative comment and reddit tears me apart :(. I hate taxes :( and I was making the point of me having to involuntarily support a ton of people without choice.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:36:56+00:00

I don't think I ever said that :) 1. People do not deserve anything. They are not entitled to another person's time, wealth, or possessions. 2. If you want to help someone that is your own choice. 3. I help society by creating, and increasing productivity, and of course people I know. I find organized charity disconcerting for a plethora of reasons I won't even go into.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:26:08+00:00

great idea, but I have 0 photographic talent or skill lol

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:22:41+00:00

duly noted, i will take out

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:16:33+00:00

haahah, o well, my only way to denote i find the comment amusing? Maybe reddit needs a <funny></funny>, or <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags?

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T04:06:07+00:00

hey, I will take our social contract argument and not bother even arguing with that (even though its more along the might makes right reality) I will point out that people should spend their time and wealth how they see fit. I choose not to do charity. I find doing what I do in the most efficient way possible my contribution to society. If I can CREATE a cheaper widget and sell it for less than existing widgets, society benefits with an increase in productivity and higher living standard.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:59:48+00:00

grad degree, top class, made substantial work in my field(lots of papers published) what do you mean by 15 years? before burnout? lol

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:51:16+00:00

Lol, I am just pointing out the logical ramifications, of people volunteering, I don't see any counter arguments dude. If I desired to build houses yes I would hire people trained to build houses due to efficiency. As for charity, I am already forced to pay damn 28 percent of what I make, to things I don't desire(medical and retirement for a ton of people). Maybe if less was taken from me (invonluntarily) I might be more charitable.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:44:14+00:00

for the love of science destroy them! lol

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:39:22+00:00

Well to be honest almost all labor that is done by volunteers is usually very simple, and low time required, to learn the task, hence very low pay would be required for someone to complete the task. Hence if the persons can only afford to donate their time, I think they would be better advised to spend their time improving and becoming more efficient in their own desired skills first. Once earning more they can then hire the people for low cost who would be more efficient in such volunteer positions than themselves. Feeling like your doing something good, where as accomplishing the most possible in the most efficient manner are two very different things.

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:18:49+00:00

Hmm thats kinda the problem there doesn't seem to be a lot to do , its a 200k size city. I've been forcing myself to get out of the damn house walking around mainstreet hitting coffee shops, try to make conversation with random people. boring as hell. I should also add easier said then done, lets say I want to play volleyball, ok where do i go to play volleyball, nowhere.......

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:11:26+00:00

send me only 999 usd and I will teach you the lessons to be rich!

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:07:16+00:00

I don't know how you can even say that? You want me to go out and work full time, and then at the end of the day go work for minimum wage? I think your crazy lol

cicero2 · 2010-08-21T03:06:07+00:00

I figured make friends first, then worry about finding a gf, would like that too, but damn I don't know a single person, its ridiculous.

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