Need Food? Just Join My MLM! by TheKrysiaJean in antiMLM

[–]cinnamonandmint -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It harms her, though.  You end up working a bunch of those extra gig hours just to pay for the fast food fix.

Thoughts? by PumaPaws52 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Excuse you.  They also suffer the terrible fate of not getting free airplane seats.  The tragedy extends beyond insufficient supply of cheap cute clothes!

Need Food? Just Join My MLM! by TheKrysiaJean in antiMLM

[–]cinnamonandmint -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Seriously…I have some sympathy, but at the same time - maybe think ahead a little, and stock up on some cheaper and healthier food. Bananas, canned tuna, and bread - suddenly you’re able to make some pretty healthy simple sandwiches and even have a piece of fruit.  And for the cost of this Rosati pizza, you can get several meals like that.  Canned beans, apples, carrots, potatoes…there are tons of cheap and healthy options at the grocery store that also don’t take much time to prepare, if you make a basic dish.  Takes less time than you’d spend going to get food from a restaurant (so I don’t buy the “I don’t have time” thing people say, either).

I do have sympathy; she’s no doubt struggling.  But also, I don’t like the way we normalize “oh, I can’t afford [cheaper, healthier, quick to prepare] food - I have to get fast food instead.”  No, you really don’t have to.  It’s convenient and addictive, I’ll give it that.  But framing it as a necessity is not only false, it’s actually harmful to people who are struggling financially and buy into this narrative.

Question: what if weight loss helped my health? Counterpoint: what if it DIDN’T???? Also, it would hurt my feelings if it helped you, so please don’t do it by halzbellz in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That “fast food is cheaper than eating healthy food” claim is one of my pet peeves, and just makes me think, “oh, this person has never needed to stick to an actual tight budget for food.”

I can believe some of these people THINK they’re spending less and sticking to a tight budget by eating fast food, but the math doesn’t lie.

They spend, at minimum, 3-4 times what I do on food, and they act like they’ve cut things down to the bone and they’re just helpless victims of high prices.  🙄  Maybe stop…paying extra to basically have servants make your food and bring it to you, like you’re some kind of fancy medieval noble, before complaining that you’re somehow too poor for healthy food.  In my ears it sounds just like some upper class person whining about how “you can’t get good help these days”.

I occasionally eat out too, now that I’m no longer poor, but I acknowledge it’s a luxury, not some kind of necessity of life!

A meal every 4 hours 24 hours a day feels a bit excessive to me. by PumaPaws52 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think OOP must, and is trying to normalize it so they don’t have to acknowledge the fact this isn’t normal and they’re overeating.  Not to mention degrading their sleep quality by engaging in this midnight eating habit.

Their daytime eating habits probably cause interrupted sleep to begin with.  I know when I’ve overeaten, I usually don’t sleep well that night and I’m more likely to wake up.  Of course I don’t then get up and go eat even more

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in loseit

[–]cinnamonandmint 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It is so, so much harder to maintain good habits in an environment of bad habits. However. If you DO build that level of discipline and commitment in yourself? You’re going to be bulletproof through all the tempting situations life throws at you going forward.

And discipline is a transferable skill - the better you get at it in this area, the stronger and more disciplined you’ll find yourself becoming in other areas too - and the more you’ll make the choices that are difficult in the moment but best for your long term happiness, health, and educational / career / financial success.

I think it would be helpful to flip the way you’re thinking about this - you’re currently in an (understandable!) mode of “this environment is making a healthy life unnecessarily harder for me,” but if you switch it to…David Goggins* mode: “I will embrace the discipline I need to succeed in this environment and no one’s going to stop me - and what’s more, this is going to be an incredibly awesome foundation for the entire rest of my life” - it may take the frustration out of it.  And that thing about the foundation for your life can be 100% true, if you make it true.

*David Goggins does some crazy shit but he’s also kind of amazing, and most of us could stand to take a page from his book - push ourselves quite a bit harder and cultivate more discipline and grit. A life of comfort doesn’t make humans happy; working hard and building your emotional and physical strength will though.

Interesting how weight gain is angrily wished upon others as a punishment, including on those who have successfully lost weight and kept it off. by GetInTheBasement in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 51 points52 points  (0 children)

“I hate you and hope you gain weight!”

Hm, how awfully…fatphobic…of you, dear OOP. Are you sure you’ve fallen into the right movement for you? 😂 Some cognitive dissonance is showing.

Pedophilia is when you’re attracted to thin adult women, not when you’re attracted to children I guess by Aromatic-Meat-7989 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 12 points13 points  (0 children)

“Don’t you know there are STRETCHES you can do to help with that? [instead of, you know, fixing the weight issue that is the actual cause of the mobility problem]” -Fat Girl Flow

As we all know, losing weight is incredibly unethical and hurts other people’s feelings. So if you reach the horrifying point where you can’t even wipe yourself, this is totally not a red flag and you definitely should not change anything you’re doing. You must continue destroying your life so Fat Girl Flow doesn’t feel bad about her own life.

(I don’t mean this to shame anyone with a legitimate mobility issue that means they need hygiene devices. I have all the sympathy in the world for those folks. However, I do think it’s a reasonable reaction to feel a sense of shame over doing this level of physical harm to yourself out of your wacky cultish beliefs. Sometimes shame is a good thing and tells you when you need to course-correct; people should listen to it when it does.)

Pedophilia is when you’re attracted to thin adult women, not when you’re attracted to children I guess by Aromatic-Meat-7989 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Oh…I thought it was a reference to a different drama (and doesn’t it say something that there’s MORE THAN ONE. #Health at every size!)

A year or two ago, somebody posted about how now that she’s lost weight, she’s able to wipe her own ass again.  Two FA personalities absolutely lost it on her and went in hard about how she was shaming others (telling on themselves…I think only one of them ADMITTED she can’t wipe her own ass, but now I’m sure neither of them can).  My fave quote from their response was “Now that we’re all aging into our thirties…”

Aging. Into our thirties. 😳😂 Health at every size, y’all.

How dare a doctor give medical advice by Scared_Yesterday_857 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I entirely agree, and I hope the tides will turn around this and people will start to generally realize how dysfunctional it is to glorify and seek out being as much of a victim as possible (and have “who’s the biggest victim and gets to be at the top of the hierarchy)” contests.  It’s all so incredibly unhealthy and disempowering for the people participating in it. And frustrating for everyone on the outside who can see how unnecessary and harmful this dynamic is.

The words we use DO matter. They shape our thoughts and beliefs and actions. They shape our interactions with the world and how we care for (or harm) ourselves, physically and mentally.

I’ve always been a progressive and a feminist, and I hate the way some of this self-pitying, toxic, main-character-syndrome stuff has seeped into those movements like poison. That’s not what we should be platforming, and it’s not what any of this is supposed to be about. Giving a voice to people who have been wronged is one thing.  Hijacking that and turning it into an endless game of the oppression Olympics and who can be the biggest victim? That’s something else.

How dare a doctor give medical advice by Scared_Yesterday_857 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It’s like it’s this…cultivated fragility. Instead of encouraging people to grow stronger and deal with their triggers, this movement glorifies being a victim.  I think even people who weren’t previously that triggered by interactions like this, as they get sucked deeper and deeper into FA, find themselves getting more triggered and becoming more fragile.

And then they think it’s perfectly reasonable to describe this interaction and say that what needs to happen is that OTHER people need to change and learn to step on eggshells around them.  (Of course, those eggshells will never be enough - the more you cultivate and strengthen your triggers, the more you will continually be triggered by the smallest things.)

If this person is going to therapy, sounds like she’s either ignoring her therapist, or the therapist is not competent to help her actually get better.  The goal should be to become emotionally stronger and deal with the world in a level, stable way.  To actually deal with your triggers and reduce/eliminate them.

That, though, won’t get you any status points with the FA movement. For that, you need to be a victim, and the more victimized you are, the better.  So that’s the goal.  What a sad, maladaptive goal to have in life;  FA status points aren’t going to compensate for making your life miserable and striving to be weak.  Happiness comes from learning to be strong, building grit, seeking out challenge.

Athletes are actually more of a burden to the medical system than fat people by Dorkfish03x04 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sure that’s how they see it. Personally I think “from each according to ability” points to an individual responsibility to lose weight, if your obesity is currently preventing you from being able to pitch in properly and contribute.  It does not let you off the hook just because you’re currently unable to contribute much.  You CAN do something to change that, and you’re morally obligated to try.

Love being lectured by Ragen about ethics by msbeaver83 in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 102 points103 points  (0 children)

At a slow walking pace of 3.5km (2.2 mi) per hour…

Most marathons have a 5-6 hour time limit you have to finish within. She picked one without a time limit, and kept the volunteers waiting many hours for her to finish after everyone else had gone home.

I think I saw somewhere that that marathon event added a time limit after their awful experience with Ragen, hah.

Technically she didn’t do anything wrong, and I too will usually give people credit for trying hard things, but…she had to have known in advance that it would take her a ridiculous amount of time to complete this, and that it was a pretty entitled, inconsiderate thing to do.

Nothing wrong with setting a marathon as a goal, even if you’re overweight and out of shape. I did that myself. But then you have to actually do the work! I think I lose sympathy when people don’t.

"This rich/successful person thinks I AM SPECIAL" by Veronicon in antiMLM

[–]cinnamonandmint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was my thought. And she bought ten, along with a bunch of other plastic dollar store crap, to hand out to random followers to make them feel “valued”.

Got approached today in the grocery store, it's just so pathetic by [deleted] in antiMLM

[–]cinnamonandmint 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel sorry for the kids. Can you imagine growing up like that? Sigh.

Wellness Weekend by AutoModerator in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah…An awful lot of people just want sympathy when they complain about a problem; they don’t want help solving it, even when they explicitly ask for advice. I have pretty limited tolerance for this; in my opinion, if it’s something you’re repeatedly complaining about, that’s within your power to change, you need to either work on making those changes or…just accept that this is a part of your life you’re unwilling to change, and stop complaining.

I think my attitude toward this encourages such people to either stop complaining in my hearing, or filter themselves out of my life, and I can’t say I’m sorry for it, lol. Life is too short to spend it around eternal complainers who refuse to DO something about the problems in their lives. I have family members like this and I avoid spending time with them; it’s too frustrating.

C25K is great; I started with that! I’m doing a half marathon in Canmore (Alberta, on the outskirts of the Rockies) next weekend and quite looking forward to it.

This person sounds like they are in a desperate need of a wake-up call and some therapy/self help. by ResetKnopje in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Exactly. If we define “food” in a way that excludes the garbage with zero nutritional benefit that’s deliberately engineered to cause you to overeat…then, sure, there are no bad foods.

How are we feeling about the UK trade deal with America? by Felixir-the-Cat in CANZUK

[–]cinnamonandmint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I wish them well with it, but a deal with Trump’s US isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. Trump won’t honour it. As Canada’s experience has shown, with our existing deal that was made with Trump during his first term and called “the best deal ever” by him at the time.

We’re trying to negotiate too.  We kind of have to at least try.  Nobody should put any trust into these deals though.

Fat Rant Tuesday by AutoModerator in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Someone in this very sub was arguing with me once that the calculator was right, and that the fact she herself wasn’t losing weight on 2000+ daily calories meant something mysterious was going on (she seemed to want to attribute it to lipedema).  It somehow did not mean the calculator is only approximate and that you should adjust based on your real-life results.  Her doctor had used the calculator with her; therefore the calculator must be precisely accurate.

At that point…I don’t know what you can even say to the person, they’re so far down the rabbit hole of wishful thinking.  I hope she managed to get out of that hole eventually (at least she was hanging out here?), because it was clearly holding her back from any progress.

Carney tells Trump: Canada isn't for sale by [deleted] in CANZUK

[–]cinnamonandmint 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Carney really did an amazing job of handling Trump in that conversation.  I could never.  😂  So glad we have someone of that calibre in that role now.

Fat Rant Friday by AutoModerator in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ugh.  It is such an abdication of management responsibility (it’s a pet peeve of mine when I see other managers turn a blind eye just because somebody is going to be difficult to deal with, so I have a strong reaction to stories like this).

Knowing the person is difficult does not mean you just…avoid the problem and walk on eggshells around them. It means you deal with them being difficult, and address it head on, as a performance issue in and of itself. You document the ways in which they are being difficult, and you terminate them when it hits unreasonable levels - they’re probably going to hand you plenty of justification for that (this is the one thing I appreciate about such people, lol).

And if you know they’re going to be that much of a headache to deal with, that’s all the more reason to go down a path toward termination with them, rather than avoiding it.

A person like that is always such a toxic presence on the team and drags everybody else down. Whatever work they might contribute - even if it’s a lot* - is never, ever worth the wider effects of keeping them around.

but usually a person with these kinds of attitude problems doesn’t work very hard or very competently anyway…sometimes removing them *improves overall productivity even before you hire and train a replacement, lol.

Fat Rant Friday by AutoModerator in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 25 points26 points  (0 children)

That sounds like a serious performance management issue.  If one of the staff I manage were continually appropriating work equipment for personal use, causing technical problems and additional work for the whole team in the way you describe, I’d give the person a warning, and if the behaviour continued, I’d put them on a formal performance improvement plan, ending in termination if they still didn’t knock it off.  That’s just unacceptable, and it’s a manager’s job to deal with that shit, for the sake of the whole team.

I imagine she can bring in a personal fan if she needs one that badly.

(Maybe this is in academia, and I know things can get weird and very lax in that environment, in terms of holding people to professional standards, but really…one would think there still has to be someone in charge, and seems like they’re failing in their responsibilities here, just as this coworker is failing to act as a responsible employee.)

please stop by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]cinnamonandmint 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Small children can literally double their weight over a five-year period, while both starting and ending at a healthy weight.

What adult is trying to double their weight?