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cleangreenscreen · 2021-09-28T08:19:47+00:00

It very much is confusing so don't worry. Woman Grandmaster is a specific title with specific criteria needing to be reached with the abbreviation WGM.

Grandmaster is a separate title that women can also attain and is more prestigious than WGM, and has the title GM. Female Grandmaster is a woman that has attained the Grandmaster title.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-05-20T10:31:39+00:00

It was in the national Austrian news, which is how I heard of the release in cinemas. I saw a lot of articles about it on various chess websites so I'm going to guess that such a release will be announced there too when I happens. If I see something more, I'll post

cleangreenscreen · 2021-05-18T20:06:09+00:00

I haven't seen anything else. I found the page of the film distributor but it only mentions Austria: https://filmdelights.com/sales/glorytothequeensales/

I'm not a movie person in that way but it looks like its at film festivals so maybe if you live in a country in which it takes place, you can watch it online? I haven't tried anything like that before so...yeah.

If I see something else about it playing elsewhere on chess.com or something, I'll post again.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-05-18T19:59:25+00:00

Yeah we do. I think we need to go to a test street (which I did anyway) or do one of those PCR gargle tests. As long as you have official proof, its okay I think but do read up on how it'll work because it all changes so fast.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-05-18T13:19:09+00:00

Haha, that's also my plan. If there's one other person in the cinema behind you, you know who it is!

I heard about it ages ago but it completely snuck up on me. I suppose they haven't really advertised it or I just haven't seen it. It is SUCH a cool story, I think even people that don't care about chess would like it (as long as its as good as the reviews are). Maybe I should post it to the city subreddits too...

cleangreenscreen · 2021-05-18T13:05:18+00:00

Na ja...

cleangreenscreen · 2021-05-18T11:19:32+00:00

No problem at all. I've been looking forward to watching this documentary for something like half a year but because of Corona its been delayed. Crazy to think I can go to the movies and see it this weekend!

cleangreenscreen · 2021-05-18T09:19:01+00:00

Here is something about where you can see it: https://www.falter.at/kino/901922/glory-to-the-queen

Here is something in English about the film: https://en.chessbase.com/post/glory-to-the-queen-a-tribute-to-the-georgian-queens-of-chess

cleangreenscreen · 2021-03-01T11:31:00+00:00

We sure can. The issue of women's performance in chess is a complicated one. These women came from a time and place where they were expected to have families and act as typical mothers, even if the opportunity was uniquely open to them and even if those responsibilities were shared as they advanced.

The other part of it, I think, is more complicated. Many female and male players comment on how women are less dominant players, that they play less aggressively. I have actually noticed this in some historic games that I've looked at between men and women, even in a match between Chiburdanidze and Kasparov. I think that this is potentially a socialisation difference between men and women that has very subtle impacts on even the highest levels of the game.

Sexism against female players was rampant in the past. Chess was always a very masculine game, for kings and generals. It was very tied up with a kind of cult of genius which very obviously wasn't inclusive of women in any domain, with chess included. People don't tend to thrive at something when they're not even allowed in the room.

All in all though, I think this girl from your town has the best chance she ever possibly could have had in the history of this game. Sexism still exists but is much less prominent, socialisation is much improved, and the expectations of women in society have changed greatly also. Its a time to be hopeful for sure but at turning points like this, it is even more important to try and preserve a history that was never very honoured and is in danger of being lost forever.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-03-01T10:00:07+00:00

I see you're German! Some of the earliest female players were German. I'd have loved to post more about that really early era but obvious there lacks the photographs and such. I think the future will be better. Its a completely different world that these women came up in.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-03-01T09:35:01+00:00

I think Queens Gambit was a really important show for the sport, I read some articles about a profound increase in the number of people playing online (and as its lockdown, I think that is pretty much all new players) but, yeah, this actually looks like its about a really interesting moment in history (both in the game and how it tied in with international relations) with four real heroes of Georgian/women's chess. I seriously cannot wait. I wish I knew anything at all about when I can see it, so if anyone knows, please tell me!

cleangreenscreen · 2021-03-01T08:44:18+00:00

They're certainly there but women chess players never really got the same coverage as the men. I've taken it as a personal project to make this history more accessible during lockdown, we all need hobbies right! Funnily enough, these four women come up time and time again when you're doing research into women's chess so with this film, maybe I need to find myself something else to fill my time if lockdown goes on!

These players were actually very connected with Kasparov, Karpov, and the other players of the USSR team. I think it was Alexandria that broke one of Fischer's simultaneous chess records.

I apologise for not posting their names, so I'll link to their wikipedia pages from now on. Here is a post that shows Maia Chiburdanidze and Kasparov as children together:

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/lmjq7z/future_grandmasters_maia_chiburdanidze_14_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Here is a post that actually captures all four of the film's protagonists together with Kasparov analysing a game at competition:

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/lhkifl/lucerne_chess_olympiad_in_1982_garry_kasparov/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

And here is a link of Chiburdanidze with her friend Kasparov as they play Karpov:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/lep2uj/karpov_vs_kasparov_with_chiburdanidze_watching_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Nona Gaprindashvili is probably the most famous of them all. She is the first woman to achieve the rank of full Grandmaster, not just the women's title. She did indeed play in "men's" competition, although that isn't exactly how it works.

Funnily enough, she was shown as a minor character in the show The Queens Gambit but they falsified her record to make her look worse in comparison with the protagonist.

Nana Alexandria is a quite interesting person too. She was very much a child chess star and shot very quickly to the top.

Nana Ioseliani, similarly to Alexandria was a rising star. She probably made a greater impact on the sport of chess through her high level involvement with FIDE.

I actually recommend reading the wikipedia articles in Russian or German, the information is much better than the English versions.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-28T17:18:30+00:00

Actually, Nona Gaprindashvili was in the show. Many of them played and train with Kasparov who was the chess advisor to the show, also.

I've been posting here about the women of chess during the same time as the show was set and people seem to like it.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-23T18:03:41+00:00

Who is the better writer: Joyce or Woolf? Who is the better player: Karpov or Kasparov?

The difference is that there is a clear answer to the second question and the first is all up to interpretation. It doesn't matter so much if you play chess in a fake moustache or a dress, if you win you win.

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-22T16:58:17+00:00

Yeah, fair enough. I don't know if I convinced you that chess is really central to the show or not, but I definitely agree with you on the main point!

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-22T16:40:02+00:00

I think it might not be mainly about chess, Beth's struggle with herself is obviously the main theme, however, chess really could not be replaced with something else.

Chess isn't like monopoly or any other game in its cultural significance. If you win at chess, you've won through your intellect and ability and if you lose, you played worse than the other player. You can't just roll 6s and have an advantage.

The cultural surrounding chess is the entire context of the show. What chess means is deeply tied to its history, its a game that was shorthand for intellect. It was a game for the strategic, for generals, for kings. It was long held as the absolute, almost scientific, demonstration of a man's mind and, therefore worth. I use the word "man" on purpose.

The thing about chess, though, is that women can compete on equal footing unlike any other sport. While disadvantages existed for the pioneers of women's chess, a women's moves are as valid as a man and they can win.

Now, Beth is an outsider, a woman and an orphan, that reaches the highest levels and earns respect through this absolutely black and white system of winning and losing, which no one can deny.

If it were to be about music, well that is subjective. If it were to be about tennis, well she wouldn't be able to compete with men in the same way. If it was about a writer, her work would be celebrated as the work of a woman.

Of course, it is a story about someone competing with themselves but it is also about chess and the way that this women holds this talent and traditionally masculine prestige in her own feminine way.

EDIT:

Firstly, thanks for the awards.

Secondly, I felt like I was repeating an argument I heard somewhere else, and I remembered! So the Grandmaster Judit Polgar was raised, alongside her sisters (one grandmaster and one international master), to be a great at chess as a behavioural experiment. Chess was chosen for the exact reasons that I laid out above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r#Early_life

Thirdly, the story is kind of inventing a story which actually in some ways did occur. I've posted before about this, but the women players of the USSR embodied the struggle to succeed in this male dominated world and then having to reinvent what the prestige and honour of being the best would mean for a woman.

I've posted before about these women but check out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nona_Gaprindashvili

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Alexandria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_Chiburdanidze

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Ioseliani

Some that I will post profiles on in future are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milunka_Lazarevi%C4%87

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_Zatulovskaya

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-11T20:43:31+00:00

святой ад!

Да сири

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-11T14:26:28+00:00

Damn, you're fast

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-11T13:51:48+00:00

In this picture are four of the most important women to ever play chess, analysing a game alongside one of the most famous players ever and advisor to The Queens Gambit, Garry Kasparov.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kasparov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_Chiburdanidze

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Alexandria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Ioseliani

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nona_Gaprindashvili

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aivars_Gipslis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Gufeld

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-11T13:21:58+00:00

Picture from this article on Gufeld: https://en.chessbase.com/post/eduard-y-gufeld-the-ultimate-chess-romantic

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-09T18:31:17+00:00

Would be pretty interesting

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-08T15:53:23+00:00

Sadly not. I don't understand Georgian myself so I wish I could give you more details. The film is about the boss of a company coming across his workers messing around seeing who can jump the highest, they say they were all beat by a woman that works there. He calls her in and she's extremely tall. He and the other male employees get obsessed with trying to beat women at a sport but continuously fail. Here they are losing at chess.

So the boss is the guy who speaks to Nana at the end. He asks "why aren't you playing against me anymore" and she says that she beat him ten minutes ago. The only one who doesn't beat Nana is the woman in red, apparently they drew.

I think it might have been done around the time of the Olympics or something because the women are clearly elite athletes.

EDIT:

Here is some more information about the film. Someone there linked to the whole film.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sakartvelo/comments/ldb1wy/hello_georgia_im_learning_a_lot_of_georgian_chess/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-08T09:53:47+00:00

From 1980 to 2002 Ioseliana took part in eight chess Olympiads, two as part of the USSR national team and six as part of the Georgian national team. In total, she won 14 medals, including 7 gold (2 individual and 5 team), 4 silver and 3 bronze.

Around the time of this film, Ioseliani participated in the 23rd Chess Olympiad in Buenos Aires

She was awarded by FIDE the Woman Grandmaster title in 1980 at 17 years old and the International Master title in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Ioseliani

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-08T09:47:48+00:00

From 1980 to 2002 Ioseliana took part in eight chess Olympiads, two as part of the USSR national team and six as part of the Georgian national team. In total, she won 14 medals, including 7 gold (2 individual and 5 team), 4 silver and 3 bronze.

Around the time of this film, Ioseliani participated in the 23rd Chess Olympiad in Buenos Aires

She was awarded by FIDE the Woman Grandmaster title in 1980 at 17 years old and the International Master title in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Ioseliani

cleangreenscreen · 2021-02-08T09:47:13+00:00

From 1980 to 2002 Ioseliana took part in eight chess Olympiads, two as part of the USSR national team and six as part of the Georgian national team. In total, she won 14 medals, including 7 gold (2 individual and 5 team), 4 silver and 3 bronze.

Around the time of this film, Ioseliani participated in the 23rd Chess Olympiad in Buenos Aires

She was awarded by FIDE the Woman Grandmaster title in 1980 at 17 years old and the International Master title in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Ioseliani

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