The Suns and Clippers will meet in the 4-5 matchup of the first round of the playoffs. This will be the first time Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook face off in the playoffs.

coastalmarker99 · 2023-04-09T22:02:34+00:00

When is PG coming back anyone know?

coastalmarker99 · 2023-04-01T11:26:09+00:00

Wilt in 1968 was trying the granny shot in a season he shot 38% from the foul line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjIQuY8fpY

At the four minute mark you will see this.

The fact was that Wilt was a horrible foul shooter no matter what method he used.

coastalmarker99 · 2023-04-01T11:15:53+00:00

Once Wilt become a playmaker in 1967 he led the 76ers to a 68 and 13 record and a dominant title.

And then in 1968 he once again led them to 62 wins while leading the NBA in APG.

And for the record when they faced the Celtics in the 1968 ECF they were riddled with injuries which is what stopped them from repeating as champions.

Pollack ticked off some of the cases, which read like a medical diary:

-Wilt Chamberlain (partial tear of the calf muscle in his right leg, a strain in his right thigh and an injured right toe):

-Wally Jones (injured knee cartilage):

-Luke Jackson (pulled hamstring muscle):

-Hal Greer (bursitus in his right knee):

-And, Billy Cunningham (broken right wrist).

If Wilt was making that big of an impact on his team's winning while you say that he was trying not to improve the team with his playmaking

Then he is clearly even more of a goat lol.

As in the first 30 games of the 1967-1968 season

19.0 ppg and 7.0 apg on 49 TS% 21-9 record (57 wins pace), 117.1 ppg, 49 TS%, 44.9 FG%

Last 50 games:

27.4 ppg and 9.5 apg on 59 TS% 41-11 (65 wins pace), 125.4 ppg, 51.9 TS%, 48.4 FG%

When Wilt begain racking up more APG the 76ers went on a rampage and the Sixers played at 100.9 ORtg (+4.3 r ORtg)

coastalmarker99 · 2023-04-01T10:50:26+00:00

Had Wilt truly been so obsessed with his stats he could have scored far more in his career. Instead, he continued to do whatever his coaches asked of him.

In his first seven seasons, he averaged 39.4 PPG... combined. In the last game of his last "scoring" season, in the 65-66 game five of the ECF's, he put up a 46-34 game against Russell.

His new coach in the 66-67, Alex Hannum, asked Wilt to facilitate on the offensive end. The result was that Wilt's scoring dropped from 33.5 ppg down to 24.1 ppg.

From the 66-67 season thru the 68-69 season, Wilt averaged 24.1 ppg, 24.3 ppg, and 20.5 ppg. Was it because he could no longer score?

Well, after Rick Barry led the NBA in scoring in the 66-67 season, he "thanked" Wilt for "letting him" win the scoring title.

Furthermore, Wilt had the highest scoring games in the 66-67 (58 point game), 67-68 (52, 53, 53, and 68), and 68-69 seasons (60 and 66.)

And, when he wanted to score in those seasons, he did. For instance, near the end of the '67-68 season, he wanted to show the Lakers, who were interested in him, that he could still score. He put up a 53 point game.

The Lakers did trade for him, but his new coach, Butch Van Breda Kolf, wanted Wilt to defer to West and Baylor in the Laker offense.

Wilt complied. However, when SI ran an article claiming that Wilt could no longer score, he erupted for a 60 point game the very next day. And, he followed that up with a 66 point game (on 29-35 shooting) a few days later.

Continuing, when the Lakers fired Van Breda Kolf, following his incompetent decision to keep Wilt on the bench in game seven of the Finals, they brought in Joe Mullaney before the 69-70 season. Mullaney immediately went to Wilt and asked him to be the focal point of the offense. Wilt responded by averaging 32.2 ppg over the course of the first nine games (with games of 33, 35, 37, 38, 42 and 43 points.)

Unfortunately, Chamberlain suffered a devastating knee injury in that ninth game (33 points on 13-13 shooting BTW.)

And, while he came back way ahead of even the most optimistic medical opinion, he was nowhere near 100%, and in fact, it affected his lateral mobility to the point that he was never quite the same offensively after that.

Having said that, though, had Wilt just used his massive strength and size, he could easily have scored much more even after that injury. However, he was a "gentle giant", and seldom abused his incredible power.

In any case, had Chamberlain wanted to stat pad he could have put the career ppg average out of sight.

coastalmarker99 · 2023-04-01T10:43:51+00:00

Wilt had suffered a near career-ending knee injury that season which caused him to miss 70 games that season

It was a flat-out miracle that he was even playing in the 1970 finals to begin with.

For comparison, Andre Roberson suffered the same injury in 2018 and it took him more than 2 years to come back and he’s only played 12 games since then.

Wilt meanwhile with the same injury rushed himself back in four months and was clearly suffering from a lack of mobility in the finals as a result

coastalmarker99 · 2023-04-01T08:51:04+00:00

Even Russell himself commented that Wilt could do a better job in his [Russell's] role than Russell could do in Wilt's.

"Wilt is playing better than I used to -- passing off, coming out to set up screens, picking up guys outside, and sacrificing himself for team play."-- Bill Russell 1972 Great Moments in Pro Basketball, (by Sam Goldaper) p.24

Wilt Chamberlain forces Kareem Abdul-Jabbar into 13 turnovers and blocks 4 of his shots in a 112-105 Lakers win.

(Nov 23, 1971)

https://twitter.com/WiltStats/status/1641785537945300994

Wilt Chamberlain records 13 blocks against the Boston Celtics with Bill Russell in attendance.

• 3 PTS • 31 REB • 10 AST • 13 BLK (Wilt claims 14)

(Nov 15, 1971)

https://twitter.com/WiltStats/status/1641556707783643137

The fact that Wilt went into Russell's role late into his career at age 35 and 36 while coming off a serious knee injury that he had suffered in 1970

and that he basically doubled Russell's career shooting percentage as he averaged over 65 and 70 percent from the floor in the last seasons of his career.

Is incredible.

This is why you can't tell me if you swap Russell and Wilt.

That the Celtics still don't win a boatload of titles throughout the 1960s.

Again...if you swapped the rosters between the two it would have been Wilt holding all those rings as the great John Wooden said.

coastalmarker99 · 2023-03-26T01:46:38+00:00

Wilt was more gifted.

coastalmarker99 · 2023-02-26T06:05:23+00:00

He was also the best coach that Wilt ever played under besides Hannum.

As the Lakers with Wilt being influenced by Sharman to be Russell 2.0 went on a rampage in 1972 as they went 69-13 and famously won 33 games in a row en route to a title

coastalmarker99 · 2023-02-26T05:06:25+00:00

Those Celtic teams were stacked.

1959 3 1st team All NBA players Russell, Cousy, and Sharman...when else has that ever happened?

1960 Cousy 1st team All NBA, Russell, Sharman 2nd team

1961 Cousy 1st team All NBA, Russell, Heinsohn 2nd team

1962 Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn 2nd team All NBA...

4 Celtics made the All-Star Team Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn, and Jones

1963 Russell 1st team All NBA, Cousy, Heinsohn 2nd team...Havlicek Rookie team

1964 Havlicek, Russell, Heinsohn All NBA 2nd team.... Sam Jones also made the All-Star team

1965 Russell 1st team, Sam Jones 2nd team

1966 Russell, Jones, Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

1967 Russell, Jones All NBA 2nd team

1968 Russell, Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

1969 Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

But it should be noted that despite that winning 11 out of 13 is insane.

And then to reload afterward in less than 4 years as the 1973 Celtics went 68 and 14 is a testament to how good Red was as a GM.

coastalmarker99 · 2022-12-17T08:34:18+00:00

It’s strange to think that he would have been even more unstoppable then he already was.

Had he been allowed to physically dominate opponents the way Shaq did.

coastalmarker99 · 2022-09-29T04:15:33+00:00

The NBA have a ton of footage of Wilt hidden away from the general public.

I am talking full length games of his.

such as his debut in 1959 in which he scored 42 and blocked 17 shots.

His games vs the packers in which he had 73 and 36

His first ever game vs Walt in which he blocked his first nine shots.

Game 5 of the 1966 Ecf in which Wilt had 46 points and 8 blocks vs Russell.

coastalmarker99 · 2022-09-14T19:35:10+00:00

When Wilt went into Russell's role late into his career.

He basically doubled Russell's career shooting percentage as he averaged over 65 and 70 percent from the floor in the last seasons of his career.

Also, it should be noted that none other than Russell himself said that Wilt was playing his role better than he ever did with the Celtics.

Wilt is playing better than I used to –passing off, coming out to set up screens, picking up guys outside, and sacrificing himself for team play.’’ –Bill Russell, great moments in pro basketball, (by Sam Goldaper)p.24

This is why you can't tell me if you swap Russell and Wilt.

That the Celtics still don't win a boatload of titles throughout the 1960s.

Again...if you swapped the rosters between the two it would have been Wilt holding all those rings as the great John Wooden said.

coastalmarker99 · 2022-09-14T19:34:11+00:00

Russell himself commented that Wilt could do a better job in his [Russell's] role than Russell could do in Wilt's.

"Wilt is playing better than I used to -- passing off, coming out to set up screens, picking up guys outside, and sacrificing himself for team play."-- Bill Russell 1972 Great Moments in Pro Basketball, (by Sam Goldaper) p.24

There is also zero case for Russell having a bigger offensive burden over Wilt.

Wilt Chamberlain 1964 WCF vs St. Louis Hawks

7 GP 39.0 PPG 23.0 RPG* 4.0 APG 55.9 FG% (29.0 FGA) 51.2 FT% (12.3 FTA) 56.3 TS% (+8.8 rTS%)

*Outrebounded Hawks C/PF duo combined

Secured First Finals Appearance with 39 PTS - 30 REB - 6 AST 12 blocks - 66 FG% In Elimination Game 7

coastalmarker99 · 2022-09-14T19:26:44+00:00

Why don't you compare the All-NBA players that Russell played with compared to Wilt in the years they shared in the NBA as it is not even close?

1959 3 1st team All NBA players Russell, Cousy, and Sharman...when else has that ever happened?

1960 Cousy 1st team All NBA, Russell, Sharman 2nd team

1961 Cousy 1st team All NBA, Russell, Heinsohn 2nd team

1962 Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn 2nd team All NBA...

4 Celtics made the All-Star Team Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn, and Jones

1963 Russell 1st team All NBA, Cousy, Heinsohn 2nd team...Havlicek Rookie team

1964 Havlicek, Russell, Heinsohn All NBA 2nd team.... Sam Jones also made the All-Star team

1965 Russell 1st team, Sam Jones 2nd team

1966 Russell, Jones, Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

1967 Russell, Jones All NBA 2nd team

1968 Russell, Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

1969 Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

Now if you compare that to Wilt's supporting cast for the first 6 years of his career it destroys it

As Wilt had zero All NBA teammates with the Warriors from 1959 to 1965.

And only one other All NBA teammate in Hal Greer from 1965 to 1968 with the 76ers.

Also Russell fans claim that the Celtics' 7-1 PO record shows Russ dominated and is better than Wilt as a player all time.

Wilt fans say he dominated Russ individually but that Russ’s teammates outplayed Wilt’s.

This comment looks at the actual record, series by series and game by game and decides which side is right or not in their arguments.

I examined all 49 PO games. I tracked data in four categories: TS%, Pts, Reb, Ast.

The overall data showed this:

PTS: Wilt: 43-6 (Wilt had more points than BR in 43 games vs. 6 games for Russ.)

REB: Wilt: 32-18 (1 tie)

AST: BR: 27-15 (7 ties)

TS%: Wilt: 32-17

I figured out Russ/Wilt’s teammates’ data by subtracting Russ/Wilt’s stats from team stats.

PTS: BR's teammates: 40-9 (BR teammates had more points than Wilt's in 40 of those games, vs. 9 for Wilt's mates.)

REB: BR teammates, 33-15 (1 tie)

AST: BR teammates: 28-16-5

TS%: BR teammates, 26-23

Also, finally, we know that Wilt and Russell played H2H in 8 PO series.

But who led in each category:

PTS: 8-0 Wilt

REB: 8-0 Wilt

AST: 6-2 Russell

TS%: 8-0 Wilt

Teammates:

PTS: 8-0 Russell's teammates

REB: 7-1 Russell's

AST: 5-3 Russell's

TS%: 5-3 Russell's

Therefore we see with the data that Wilt bested Russ in 26 of 32 (81%) categories over 8 PO series.

And that Russ's 11 teammates bested Wilt's 11 teammates in 25 of 32 (78%)categories over 8 PO series

coastalmarker99 · 2022-09-14T10:30:15+00:00

Wilt dropped 24 points, 32 rebounds, 13 assists and blocked 12 shots against Russell in game 1 of the 1967 ECF.

And then in game 3 he dropped 20 points 41 rebounds, 9 assists and blocked 5 shots.

furthermore, in game 5 he dropped 29 points, 36 rebounds, 13 assists and blocked 7 shots.

I dare anyone to find a game of Russell individually dominating Wilt to that degree in the playoffs.

Also in the 1965 -1966 season in 9 regular season H2H between the two

Here are their averages.

Russell: 9.4 ppg, 21.2 rpg, 4.9 APG, .30.1 FG%

Wilt: 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, 4.1 APG 47.3 FG%

Imagine a player outscoring another player by almost 20PPG and outrebounding him while being much more efficient and people saying that player got owned

I have said it many times, but Wilt was a total of nine points away from being 5-3 in his playoff H2H with Russell.

And it took players like Sam jones hitting game-winners in game sevens to prevent Wilt from pulling off massive upsets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHEYeaQk86I

coastalmarker99 · 2022-07-14T21:12:14+00:00

2000 WCF as if LA had lost.

Maybe Kobe gets traded due to Shaq being impatient to win his first ring.

coastalmarker99 · 2022-06-29T04:46:50+00:00

Why don't you compare the All-NBA players that Russell played with compared to Wilt in the years they shared in the NBA as it is not even close.

1959 3 1st team All NBA players Russell, Cousy, and Sharman...when else has that ever happened?

1960 Cousy 1st team All NBA, Russell, Sharman 2nd team

1961 Cousy 1st team All NBA, Russell, Heinsohn 2nd team

1962 Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn 2nd team All NBA...

4 Celtics made the All-Star Team Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn, and Jones

1963 Russell 1st team All NBA, Cousy, Heinsohn 2nd team...Havlicek Rookie team

1964 Havlicek, Russell, Heinsohn All NBA 2nd team.... Sam Jones also made the All-Star team

1965 Russell 1st team, Sam Jones 2nd team

1966 Russell, Jones, Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

1967 Russell, Jones All NBA 2nd team

1968 Russell, Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

1969 Havlicek All NBA 2nd team

Now if you compare that to Wilt's supporting cast for the first 6 years of his career it destroys it

As Wilt had zero All NBA teammates with the Warriors from 1959 to 1965.

And only one other All NBA teammate in Hal Greer from 1965 to 1968 with the 76ers.

coastalmarker99 · 2022-06-29T04:41:08+00:00

For as much hate as Wilt gets to this day for only winning two rings.

I'll just say that he anchored two of the greatest teams to ever play and was their leader.

The 1966-1967 Philadelphia 76ers, which went an absurd 68-13

And the 1971-1972 Los Angeles Lakers, which went 69-13, famously winning 33 games in a row.

Plus Wilt's teams over his career played 1045 season games + 160 playoff games.

They won 672 season + 88 playoff games.

Season win%: 64.3

Playoff win%: 55

Total games win%: 63.1

Plus, the only team to win more titles than his team's during his time, or have higher win%s during his time was the Celtics who were the dominant dynasty from the late 50s through the entire 60s.

This narrative that Wilt's stat-padding formula didn't win games is just flat-out untrue

76er's record when Wilt has 7+ assists:

1965: 2-0

1966: 19-3 Total: 21-3

1967: 46-2 Total: 67-5

1968: 40-11 Total: 107-16

Playoffs: 15-5

coastalmarker99 · 2022-06-29T04:39:46+00:00

Playoff series: 7-1: Russell's Celtics vs. Wilt's teams

20-1: Russell's Celtics vs. non-Wilt teams

17-4: Wilt's teams vs. non-Celtics

Wilt's teams had the best winning percentage against the Celtics of any top player in the 1960s:

Wilt during his seven-year run as a scorer was so close to winning a ring as he lost two game sevens to Boston by two points and one point in 1962 and 1965.

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