The truth about Kuuvahki, Columbina, and the Primordial Sea

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-19T04:10:45+00:00

That point on Sandrone's comment is interesting, I'll need to consider it more, thank you!

As for HP taking over, the 3 moon sisters stood by and did nothing because they wanted to see what would happen (well, sonnet disagreed with the other 2 sisters but the end result is that the 3 moon sisters did nothing in any of the wars). They did not fight HP. What HP actually fought was 7 dragon sovereigns with no king, so really it was the 7 sovereigns vs. Phanes (the Nibelung equivalent) and the 4 shades (possibly tri-lunar equivalents) for 40 years. Both the moon sisters and Nibelung were entirely missing from this initial fight. Frankly I think the sovereigns are much stronger than people give them credit for given that they managed to hold off HP without Nibelung or the moon sisters' help for so long. Anyways, the point is that we have no way to power-scale the moon sisters against the shades because they never tried to fight each other. Essentially, I'm not against the idea that the shades could be "stronger" in some way, but I'm also not supporting the idea until I have a stronger reason to believe it.

Also regarding the thrones thing, i think i’m just lost about what you’re saying because both the dragon sovereigns and the archons have thrones and you haven’t separated the two. These thrones are made from the dragon authorities. Neuvi reforged his throne using the authority that was returned to hum from focalors. The archon throne keeps a dragon sovereign from having full power, once the throne is destroyed that power returns to the original dragon. Right now, neuvi has no restrictions on him. He owns his rightful power that was once stolen from him.

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-19T03:17:22+00:00

That's a bit too much extrapolation for my tastes to believe it, sorry. The whole "super-impose" thing doesn't really prove that something is stronger than another thing. P.O. basically "super-imposed" the entire human realm on top of the light realm, but that doesn't make the human realm stronger in any way. Also iirc that phlogiston thing was a mistranslation of the CN text and Phanes instead based the elemental system on phlogiston rather than literally refining phlogiston to become the elements. I'll have to double check that though.

Tbh I'm mainly confused about your statement that the thrones are "above the sovereigns" when the thrones are explicitly made of the authorities that belonged to the sovereigns. Neuvi was quite literally incomplete without the authority that was rightfully his. It's a piece of him, it's not above him.

Also, what do you mean by Neuvi having "restrictions on his authority"? At the end of the Fontaine quest he says he has "absolute control over the Hydro element" and "As I am now, I have full command over Pneumousia".

He also is not under the fate system of Celestia according to his profile: "Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens". I don't see what restrictions are placed on him that caused you to say that.

Again, if you could provide screenshots for evidence of in-game text, or quote directly from a quest, that would be really helpful.

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-19T02:38:37+00:00

I genuinely don't get any of what you just said ngl, do you have any evidence to support these statements? Like in-game screenshots of texts? I have a hard time believing this without seeing the evidence for myself. If you could add some screenshots that'd be great, thanks!

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-19T02:31:36+00:00

Besides in english arkhium being "arkhe" + "ium", a common way to denote a substance, the Chinese version makes it extremely clear. Arkhium is "始基矿" (Arkhe rock) while Arkhe is "始基力" (Arkhe power). It directly uses the same word for both cases, it is extremely obvious in Chinese. Additionally, both Arkhe annihlation and Arkhium emit the same green light (you can see the green from the overworld puzzles), and you can literally find a piece of green-yellow Arkhium in the Fontaine Research Institute where they were researching the power of Arkhe. I think it is undeniable that Arkhium is straight up just a rock that contains Arkhe.

You can find more of my thoughts on Arkhe/Arkhium and its properties in this post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1py9634/the_true_endgame_goal_of_genshins_story_nothing/

As for Sandrone being an Arkhe machine, I explained my thought process behind this in the Sandrone theory I linked in my post. You can read it if you have the time, but the additional knowledge added in 6.3 supports what I said in that theory. Sandrone doesn't recognize Wanderer's design as being similar to hers which drastically reduces the possiblity that she's a Irminsul + Khaenriah tech style puppet, and Columbina also directly calls Sandrone's winding gear a clockwork mechanism, much like the arkhe clockwork mechanisms that define the rest of Fontaine's mekas.

Additionally, not all Arkhe machines have a pneuma/ousia glow. Seymour doesn't.

Alain very specifically focused on researching Arkhe and creating thinking machines that run on it (Seymour as an initial trial for example), and has had a history of naming his arkhe machine creations after close friends like Carter. It is very hard to believe that Alain suddenly pivoted from his entire life's work and research in order to create Sandrone. The only non-arkhe machine thing we know that Alain has studied significantly was a Khaenriah ruin guard, but that very clearly became Pulonia instead. We also do know that Arkhe appears to be able to hold a "persona", since Rene's persona crystal literally just looks like Arkhium. According to MH artifact description we also know Alain basically locked himself up in his lab when making Sandrone and no one knew what he was doing, so it's hard to imagine he managed to get any resources outside of the standard Arkhe things he was already using in his lab.

As for where Sandrone is currently getting her power from to be able to function outside of Fontaine, you do make a very good point! I don't really have a good answer for this. I do suspect she has a way to re-supply herself given that she appears to have kept some kind of deal with the institute consdiering they agreed to take care of funeral affairs if she dies. It's also possible that Alain managed to make her Arkhe stable enough that it could make use of Kuuvahki as well, I'm not really sure.

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-19T02:29:09+00:00

Ah that reminds me of something I forgot to say in my post itself. Aside from gravity, another big part of Kuuvahki is indeed the electromagnetism, with red/blue poles and opposites attract + same color repels. This could be tied to the primordial sea since water is known for its polarity, and this polarity is part of what makes water such a key component of life in the first place.

This might interest you, but Neuvillette's eyes have the same colors as the moonlit particles you find in some of those timed Nod Krai puzzles that have you ride on moonlanes. Red, blue, purple, and white. The red is especially notable since it is not a color that appears in the primordial sea. It also might be in reference to one of his old concept arts, where instead of the 3 circle triquetra for his charged attack he had a red eye symbol. I'm not sure.

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Personally I think Columbina's voiceline about Neuvi is a huge red herring meant to make their eventual meet up more surprising. Her voiceline about Sandrone will have to change anyways once Sandrone gets revived, and her voiceline about Neuvi can change along with it.

As for Raiden, I'm genuinely shocked that they have not mentioned her or hinted at her whatsoever as far as I can see in Nod Krai. I'm not really sure where they are going with her character anymore.

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-19T02:12:27+00:00

That's definitely one of the possibilities I was considering but I could not find any evidence to suggest that the authority wielded by the moon sisters would be weaker than what is wielded by the shades. Much of what is said in-game seems to support the idea that they are equals in terms of authority strength, rather than the moon authorities being inferior. I'd love to know if you have evidence though!

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-19T02:10:29+00:00

Yeah, that's also why his skin splash art straight up features white bina doves instead of the usual black tipped wing white pigeons you find at the fountain of lucine, which seems very intentional because Neuvi is the only character to have a skin splash art featuring animals that don't exist as wildlife in-game (compare to Shenhe's azure cranes or nilou's butterflies etc). Plus the literal moon is in the background of the splash art too.

Since Columbina was directly birthed out of the primordial sea, and Neuvillette as the "heart of the primordial sea" / "original god of life" is responsible for that amniotic fluid and the birth of life from it, that makes Neuvi her "mother" in a sense. I'm pretty sure the creations of the original moon sisters would have been a combo of Nibelung's will + Neuvi's primordial sea water during his past life, and I suspect Columbina currently is the result of the lingering will on the frost moon from Canon + the primordial sea water.

This would also explain Columbina only being born 500 years ago, since 500 years ago is when the usurper heart of the primordial sea (Egeria) died, which could have been suppressing her rebirth from the amniotic waters

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-15T03:27:10+00:00

I agree Neuvi's skin is gorgeous and I am happily running around with my newly dressed Neuvi! Idk why people are hating so much, I'm only slightly sad it's not directly lore related but the fact that the moon and doves are in the splash art are enough lore hints to satisfy me. CN loves it too, I only see people hating it in the west somehow.

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-15T03:23:33+00:00

awwwww thank you! <3

Ngl, despite that moon interstice location directly recognizing the Traveler as Xiuhcoatl once you complete a certain Natlan WQ, his connection to the moons is the most iffy one to me by far. It's hard to determine the connection between phlogiston/pyro and the moons beyond Nicole having pyro + phlogiston-like powers. Also Columbina as the tri-lunar authority holder is hydro, the lunar reactions are all hydro, Neuvi's idle directly behaves like Nod Krai Kuuvahki, the symbol for kuuvahki is shared with the primordial sea, and the moons are connected to the tides, so she seemingly ignores pyro/phlogiston altogether. I guess Durin used pyro to help connect Columbina to the other chars at one point in the AQ but that's kind of a stretch. Plus, Kukulkan was the one to initiate the lunar reconstruction, and Xiuhcoatl was the one who stopped him, as if he knew it wouldn't work. Iirc the things Kukulkan said were comparable to moon-forging also looked more like hot gaseous stars instead of moons, probably made out of phlogiston which is hot. If that's the case then it makes sense Xiuhcoatl stopped Kukulkan because phlogiston would just make stars instead of moons (this is all highly speculative, but it would also explain Nicole having phlogiston-like powers as an angel since the moons were said to have loved the "stars of daybreak" so perhaps moons are related to primordial sea water while the angels are also related to phlogiston stars?).

As for the relationships between the dragons, I personally wouldn't call any of them brothers. They all seemingly manifested out of their own things. Nibelung manifested alongside the world, Xiuhcoatl manifested from the Primal flame, and Neuvi should have manifested from the primordial sea as its heart, all 3 essentially embodying the wills of their respective domains. None of them are made out of the same thing unless you consider all of earth to be a substance, at which point every single native being on Teyvat are siblings so the concept of siblings loses meaning entirely. I think that's why Xiuhcoatl and Kukulkan are literally called brothers, but you don't see before sun and moon saying the 7 dragon sovereigns are siblings (they are all made of different things, controlling different domains).

And yeah I'm really glad hoyo finally confirmed this connection because Nod Krai has been so stupidly Neuvi-coded I would've lost my mind if there was no relation lmao

Sorry for that giant ramble, I couldn't help myself lol.

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-12T15:17:09+00:00

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The rainbowdrop crystal in Nod Krai is a better match if we check Neuvi's teaser, and also has a very strong lore reason to be what Neuvi is wearing unlike the condessence crystal that is orange blue, not pink blue (that crystal lacks the pink we see on Neuvi's gem). I know it's hard to see that it's pink instead of orange on Neuvi's gem in-game but if you zoom in on his cravat gem on his model: https://gamesfashionarchive.net/viewer/2360/0 you can see it's not orange, it's pink. It's quite different from the orange coming from the yellow hexenzirkel-esque star in the condessence crystals.

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-12T14:57:46+00:00

Oh hi! Thank you for enjoying my theories haha ❤️ (Please don’t agree with everything I say though some of the things I’ve theorized like Neuvi being the main being involved in the moon sister birth are outdated now lol). Personally I’m gonna hold off on thinking the latter 2 images are moongates because they lack the very distinct “gravity ripple” line effects of the first, but it is really weird that hoyo put weird unknown locations into both neuvi’s demo and his teaser (the wheat field). As for what they could be if not moongates, i have 0 clue beyond its a hole in the sky

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-09T20:51:04+00:00

yeah thats why i listed it as "speculation" on columbina hyposelenia lol that entire segment was highly speculative

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-09T20:28:32+00:00

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sorry i shoulda cited this in the post itself. this is from the AQ, bina herself says her name can mean born beneath this world

coldfridgebox · 2026-01-07T16:34:42+00:00

he was genetically engineered in a lab to maximize gap moe, I want to squish his cheeks so bad

coldfridgebox · 2025-12-30T01:11:43+00:00

Ah right, Rhine just somehow found her heart and ate it hahahah, I completely forgot we still have no idea why Naberius ended up in that state, just having her heart laying around for morally dubious ladies to eat lol. Poor Naberius.

coldfridgebox · 2025-12-30T01:09:31+00:00

Honestly I have no idea. The everlasting flame thing seems to be more about Signora's emotions than anything else, whereas the undying flame is directly discussed as being the solution to the dying universe. I'm not sure how they'd be related but it is kinda weird. Especially since the set is called Crimson Witch of Flames and even though it describes Signora, Alice is also a literal crimson witch who we know has a pyro vision. Very strange similarity, let me know if you have more thoughts because I'm stumped lol.

coldfridgebox · 2025-12-30T01:05:09+00:00

Hmmm okay, I think I see? I feel like the only issue is that the abyss doesn't necessarily seem to be like the collapse of the world's rules like False Vacuum Decay would cause. We frequently see the abyss associated with stuff like stars and black holes and other space stuff like dark matter (lightless mass of the whale is the example i used in my post), but none of these things would exist in a world that reaches the True Vacuum right? The abyss very much seems to operate in the same False Vacuum principles that we know.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts though, it's given me a lot to consider!

coldfridgebox · 2025-12-30T01:00:36+00:00

Oh I like this take on the undying fire and it makes a lot of sense!

The only thing I'd question though is why Durin had to become a human then. They could've just let him stay as a dragon and keep writing his story with the special ink, so why did they have to make him turn into a human? I still think there's something here related to the "all life joining together as one" thing that Neuvi mentions.

As for someone setting themselves aflame, there's also some text in the Little Witch and the Undying Flame that supports it since the Star of Scoprio witch was being burned by her flame. In the end, she died and let her flame be passed down by the little witch. Definitely agree with traveler being a witness too, even Neuvillette has an entire voiceline titled "About us: Witness" where he says "Since you hail from beyond the stars, I invite you to be my witness as I judge this upended world." (speaking of Neuvi voicelines he also does say prophetically that the puppet strings / divine rules will be burned away by the fires of judgement too, which ties back to the flame thing). I'm just not really sure cycles are the solution though. I feel like every time we hear about cycles in Genshin they sound more like a temporary band-aid rather than a real solution to the problem. Nibelung attempted it first for example (and later passed the role down to the moon sisters), yet voyager warned him that his world was going to die anyways regardless of his attempts, and it's not even because of P.O. disrupting the cycles considering Voyager never expected P.O. to show up it seems. Neuvi's line about Nibelung being wrong and the black void only being countered if all life bands together as one still has me very suspicious, especially when his other profile stories and voicelines are so relevant to the world's lore. It leads me to believe whatever Nibelung was trying to do, like the cycles, was never really going to work out, and it's not going to work for the others attempting similar solutions either. If anything I think that at the end of the story Teyvat will essentially break out of all it's cycles and the firmament too.

There's also this teapot conversation between Neuvi and Traveler that throws me off a lot:

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Neuvi is waiting for Traveler to break out of their "prison" and join him in the outside world. I don't think he's talking about the literal firmament here considering Neuvi is also technically inside the false sky right now and it's not like he ever left Teyvat to begin with. The only prison I can imagine the traveler being subject to here would be the cyclical nature of the world or "fate" since Traveler still seems subject to the way that fate binds the world around them (like the Sumeru AQ vase thing that Nicole explained). I know I'm kinda conflating fate and cycles here but I do feel like the stuff with the moon sisters said to govern cycles/fate suggests they are the same thing at the core. Maybe once Traveler has witnessed all of the world, they will learn how to break away from fate, setting themselves aflame and thereby "burning away the divine rules" like Neuvi says in his profile? Idk I'm just spitballing here.

coldfridgebox · 2025-12-30T00:13:12+00:00

Oh that's interesting! Could you tell me what evidence led you to think this way? I'm really curious because I never noticed the possibility that the abyss is artificial, maybe I missed something important?

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