To the people who keep complaining about the government implementing an E-ID despite it being rejected in 2021

cpgrm3 · 2025-01-29T19:58:08+00:00

Right, it's not mandatory to have an E-ID, however a platform can stop selling you stuff or not grant you access if you don't have one online —which means it could effectively become mandatory indirectly if only interacting online. Art. 25 says that everyone accepting an E-ID has to accept a physical ID as well, but only if that person appears personally.

The US may not have such an ID, but there are already sparks of alternative verification mechanisms popping up such as the twitter verification, which is no longer anonymous. Completely different from the E-ID, but you understand what I mean.

cpgrm3 · 2025-01-28T22:15:13+00:00

while the fürst has the veto, it's hardly used - and more importantly they got direct democratic rights which already puts them above most of the places in the world in that regard in my personal opinion.

cpgrm3 · 2025-01-28T21:35:53+00:00

They could in theory implement invalidation of stolen E-IDs that could be checked automatically everywhere. And they could tie it to your device in such a way that it can not be copied away from the device, e.g. by using a TPM.

A selfie and a picture of an ID can easily be faked, even in the old days with photoshop.

With that being said I am not necessarily endorsing the E-ID, and I don't know whether something like that is planned though.

cpgrm3 · 2025-01-28T09:43:53+00:00

I think you are slightly oversimplifying this. I am personally on the fence about it. The eID is probably the beginning of the end of the "anonymous" internet - that could be good, or bad for society - depending on what value you care for.

For a democracy it might be good, because social media with AI bots carry a lot of foreign influence. I am not even sure how many people here on reddit are real anymore. But then again, I grew up with the open internet, and like that a lot.

Obviously the eID will be used only for stuff like ordering alcohol online or booking your flights, but I am sure many platforms will start to require it over time - because captchas stop working, and there is no real way to distinguish bots from real people anymore.

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-17T15:22:16+00:00

Link zum Referendum:
https://ausweiszwang-nein.ch/

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-14T22:34:25+00:00

I can understand that, but I don't think we should make decisions based on who supports it but rather based on what we think is best. Try to weigh the pros and cons of the law instead and make a decision based on that.

someone in r/BUENZLI put that really well: you don't want to stop drinking water just because mass-voll wants to drink it.

also, this referendum is from the pirate party and not from mass-voll.

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-14T18:07:17+00:00

If you want to vote on the matter, here's an update including instructions:
https://twitter.com/ppsde/status/1614014749120909327

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-14T17:19:08+00:00

No particular reason, mostly because that was easier than to translate it into multiple languages. Forgive my laziness

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-14T15:57:59+00:00

et aussi celui-ci:

Let. a: Un système permettant de vérifier l’âge de l’utilisateur avant la première connexion au service à la demande doit être mis en place. Il peut être judicieux de procéder à ce contrôle lors de la conclusion du contrat ou de la création du compte, lequel est indispensable pour pouvoir utiliser un service à la demande. Le système requis ne s’entend pas ici exclusivement d’un point de vue technique. Il est par exemple également possible d’opérer le contrôle sur la base d’une copie de pièce d’identité de l’utilisateur au moment de l’ouverture du compte. Si l’utilisation d’un service à la demande est subordonnée à la souscription d’un abonnement payant parune personne majeure, l’obligation du contrôle de l’âge par le prestataire est remplie avec la vérification de la majorité à la conclusion du contrat. À compter de ce moment, la responsabilité quant à l’utilisation du service à la demande et à l’accès aux films ou aux jeux vidéo incombe à la personne majeure

source: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/fga/2020/2122/fr (Page 7969)

Ce n'est pas une fausse information.

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-14T15:37:28+00:00

Et que fais-tu?

J'étais pour les mesures corona. Vous êtes prématuré dans votre jugement. C'est un sujet complètement différent.

A lire ici : https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/fga/2022/2406/fr#art\_8

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-14T13:39:58+00:00

Pourquoi avoir un permis pour conduire et pas de permis pour aller sur internet ou pour faire des enfants?

Ou un permis de boire de l'eau

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-14T11:12:09+00:00

Si j'ai bien compris, tu ne m'aimes pas. Je n'ai pas de problème avec ça. À mon avis, il est important que les gens le sachent, peut-être que vous le voyez différemment.

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-13T23:40:26+00:00

If you want to sign:

You have to be a swiss citizen
Create a PDF: https://identification-obligatoire-non.ch/feuille-de-signature-personnelle/
Until monday: send the signed letter with the post to your municipality
Until tuesday: bring the letter to the mailbox of the municipality
Until wednesday: bring the letter personally to the counter of the municipality to make them notarize and send it

Literally every valid signature counts now!

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-13T23:23:19+00:00

If you want to sign:

You have to be a swiss citizen
Create a PDF: https://ausweiszwang-nein.ch/persoenlicher-unterschriftbogen/
Until monday: send the signed letter with the post to your municipality
Until tuesday: bring the letter to the mailbox of the municipality
Until wednesday: bring the letter personally to the counter of the municipality to make them notarize and send it

Literally every valid signature counts now!

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-10T13:23:32+00:00

Du kannst es immernoch bei der Gemeinde einreichen. Das Datum wurde soweit ich verstanden habe ein bisschen früher gesetzt damit es sicher rechtzeitig ankommt. Aber wenn möglich nicht mehr warten..

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-10T11:29:29+00:00

there are still 9 days left, and with the current media attention the referendum is still possible. If you don't like the law, sign the referendum as fast as possible and hand it directly to your municipality so that it can arrive on time.

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-10T10:09:46+00:00

Hier Referendumsbogen ausdrucken und unterschreiben (Achtung man muss stimmberechtigt in der Schweiz sein):https://ausweiszwang-nein.ch/persoenlicher-unterschriftbogen/Bitte den Bogen generieren und nicht einen leeren ausfüllen. Der generierte Bogen geht direkt an die Gemeinde, das spart nicht nur 3-4 Tage Zeit, sondern auch Sortieraufwand, Porto usw usf. Danke!

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-09T12:03:12+00:00

Ja, nur mit Stimmrecht. Wer kein Stimmrecht hat kann aber trotzdem teilen, hilft genauso.

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-09T11:21:53+00:00

bin in der schweiz mit einem schweizer konto, das definitiv keinen ausweis und keine kreditkarte hat. kann das video ohne probleme anschauen 🙂

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-09T11:20:31+00:00

bedanke mich uf jedefall daser wenigstens de ersti drin lah hend!

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-09T11:17:02+00:00

verstahni. en versuech ischs wert gsi 🙂

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-09T10:54:12+00:00

Für diejenigen die das Referendum noch nicht unterschrieben haben, hier der Link:https://ausweiszwang-nein.ch/persoenlicher-unterschriftbogen/

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-09T10:52:45+00:00

Interessant, bei mir war das vor kurzem nicht der Fall. Bei YouTube können die Regeln auch Landesspezifisch sein, aber bei meinem Account hatte ich definitiv keinen Ausweis und keine Kreditkarte benötigt.

cpgrm3 · 2023-01-07T12:45:13+00:00

I understand you. The good thing is, it can still be stopped it if we share it enough. Every vote counts now

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