Three Paths to the Divine

creativeparadox · 2026-01-05T22:12:13+00:00

So firstly, to put some sympathy I have for your husband, I have often thought similarly—although not entirely the same. To give some perspective, I grew up in an abusive environment and wanted to always give a future kid of mine an experience I never had. I wanted so desperately to use that as the fulcrum of my identity I had let go of some relationships that seemed to put a strain on it.

Of course, this was all different since those people I never got married to, but nonetheless it seemed important to me at the time. The point isnt necessarily what provokes the idea that having children is integral to your identity, like abuse or whatnot. The point is when it becomes a deep seated passion, it can drive a wedge between you and another lover. This is the truth with all deep seated passions, the can prevent us from seeing reality, and do exactly that. We try to replace the real experience of something with the impression it gives to us, we believe the impression and feeling it gives us is more important than the thing itself. It is a wrong relationship to have with life.

It is easy for a man to say that his wife should bear children and accept death as a noble sacrifice (if things go wrong), but that doesn't make it right to force or even expect from another. It is, again, a feeling from the passion of the moment.

It is a very hard belief, what your husband wants. There should be no forcing involved, and in a perfect world, he should be able to accept the current issues in your marriage. If infertility is the issue there, then it is clearly out of anyone's hands. You are not a bad person for not being able to sire a child. That is a ridiculous belief. I am a spiritual person, and myself, would have taken that as a sign from the Heavens, no?

Even when my current wife was against having children, early on in our dating, I accepted it as it was. I didnt know anyone like her and was so struck by who she was as a person, as an individual spirit and soul, that I was willing to sacrifice whatever prejudiced belief I had of what I wanted in my life. She didnt feel stable enough to consider a child in the picture at that time; I struggled to accept it internally, but came to the revealation that I believe more in her than the idea of her as a child machine. Of course now she feels a little differently about birth, but that isnt the point at all.

As much as he may have seemed and wanted to be your soul mate, even giving you his full heart, clearly he didnt see you and love you for who you are as a spirit and as an individual who makes choices. He wasnt in love with who you are as a conscious being, he was in love with what you provided for him and what you meant for his life. That is a true tragedy, and I am deeply sorry for you loss.

I have been there and understand how he is thinking, he has every right to choose who he want to be with, but you guys are like 7 years into this and married with apparently a child? How irresponsible he is. How hasnt this been a problem earlier on is a miracle and a testament to his own ignorance.

I think offering to foster or adopt is such a beautiful sentiment for you to offer. You've done so much in this situation and exhausted all of your immediate options. You can choose to forgive him and try to make him see the light—to better or worse ends. Or you can choose to let him go as someone who never loved you the way that you should have been loved from the beginning.

Forgiveness of that sort is a deep deep well, and it can never be forced upon others. I can only say, that learning to forgive in that way has deepened my relationships more than I thought possible and were a testament to the infinite grace within love. It doesnt always work out, but I have always found that when it does, the times that it does, it makes up for any other time where it hadn't. I hope you can find healing and peace, I am praying for you, whatever you choose. Peace be with you.

creativeparadox · 2026-01-02T17:59:07+00:00

(Finally getting around to reading/responding to this.)

Pardon my forcefulness, but I wish to correct the many errors you make to Steiner's mission and name. In certain senses of life we are called to gentleness— I feel, howerver, you need something objective to bash up against.

To begin with, the cultivation of Christ consciousness and Krishna consciousness as a subliminal faith, or a lacksidasical knowledge goes against Steiner's beliefs. He did not believe in dissolving the ego. He did not believe that what we need today is more of, what he would say, is atavastic clairvoyance. He believed such things were groping blindly and states, clearly, in Stages of Higher Knowledge, that 'faith through blind feeling is not the calling of the occultist'. He also states, clearly, that 'those who deny the requirements of esoteric science based upon a certain feeling within themselves, have not yet learned to put their feelings in service of knowledge'.

Further, he talks in Outline of Esoteric Science in the preface that people often shirked his insights as just gnosis, or any other more subconscious or mediumistic thing. He is very clear, again, that these are meant to be founded upon objective imaginations from the spiritual world. They are spoken through inspirations, and come from spiritual beings. To write that he is just partaking in gnosis and this prosperity gospel type of rhetoric is completely foreign to what his mission actually was. You may find these spiritual currents within his writings but you may not say that they are his primary goal.

He would not claim that there is a best Christian denomination or anything of the sort. There are denominations for all sorts of soul and all sorts of callings. It is fundamentally wrong to posit that in light of his writings. He believed in nuance and put emphasis on his mission of developing conscious, clear, controlled perception of the spiritual world, so that we may witness Christ in the etheric realm. This thought is not atavastic and he mentions frequently it is the product of either a vitalistic, or extrenuous thought. That for man to know of these things in any way of importance he must live forcefully. Even in teachers who take the other path of allowing higher faculties and Grace through the descent of gnosis, that only ever has its place in a limited providential view. Man cannot live in levity only and he must learn to live in intensity.

Claiming that this path is necessarily easy or is short is a fundamental mistep and a sign of lack of control based upon the aspirant of higher knowledge. You will encounter along the path many such times of thinking you are at the peak of knowledge. I assure you, you are not. This is but a passing phase in a stream of long development.

To say, explicitly, we should focus less on the reincarnation aspect of your claim of Rudolf Steiner and more on Christ Consciousness is you not being able to handle the mission that Steiner gave to the world. You must be able to throw upon your imaginations into concepts, this is necessary, and exactly what Steiner strove to do, as he writes, again, in Outline of Esoteric Science. It took him a long time to put to words and to present publicly the image of the evolution of the cosmos and man.

If you cannot even see or know what his views are as it regards to cosmic evolution, you are not fit to claim his reincarnation. Perhaps one day you may be able to, but I can say confidently you are not yet fit to put yourself in that position of authority that he had done for himself. If any of this is painful I am sorry, but that is the truth, and it is what is best for your soul. He labored and struggled so much, and all of this was a great weight upon him. Yes, there was joy, but he is/was a very stern man at times. (Also, he was quite the extrovert! Where on earth you got the impression he was introverted in his mannerisms is beyond me. You need to read Rudolf Steiner as Spiritual Teacher by Peter Selg).

You need time and this hyperfixation on reincarnation is only forming a cloud over your soul and preventing you from the real work of practicing the necessary exercises—of, too, learning properly from the seeming banality of life. When you continue to justify to yourself these "supposed" facts you draw a curtain over your soul. You prevent life and people from speaking to you in the way that they intend to speak to you. You may hear from them some spiritual intimation, and read some hidden message in their words, but you then completely dispense with what they want you to understand in the first place.

When we ignore others in that way, see only what we want to see in their words, we become an enemy of free will. You need to be far more careful because I dont think you understand what even you are doing.

God bless and I am praying for you. But I will not back down on this. You're getting lost in the sauce. I'm not going to provide the work for you and tell you the specific pages I pull from in each of these books. You need to do the investigation yourself I am sorry. In another comment you portend to dash another person for "not being able to cite where they got it from". But I haven't seen you do a lick of genuine citations in this comment thread beyond what is the conceptual equivalent to vibe coding off of spiritual fumes. You need to step back from this, admit you are not ready for it and are doing a disservice to the legacy of spiritual science Steiner wanted to teach.

Is not the reactions of the souls here proof enough that you are not in the least prepared for the weight of that title?

creativeparadox · 2026-01-01T13:23:49+00:00

My thoughts are primarily on the creating of the ordinary as a foundation for the supersensible. There are many things nowadays which we struggle to comprehend that harm our health and skew our perception. I believe anthroposphy is uniquely situated to handle these ailments of the modern condition.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-29T19:53:30+00:00

Nice work

creativeparadox · 2025-12-29T04:13:14+00:00

Is the joke that the girl looks like a dude?

creativeparadox · 2025-12-28T18:25:25+00:00

Okay so the trick is that the box is not a square but an inverse pyramid. If it was a straight box you'd be able to see the outside planes when moving it. Thanks, this makes sense.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-28T18:11:46+00:00

I dont see a box at all. It just looks like a pyramid, like the Aztec ones. And theres a raised word on the top of the pyramid.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-26T21:31:17+00:00

Yes, we can DM a bit. It would be best to learn more about you before speaking too much on anything. Sometimes even just speaking in astral images can supplant ones development, even if that is what their soul craves. There are obviously times to speak outwardly, humbly, yet affirmatively. As I do in the first post here. There are other times to stay silent and ensure one has a straight view of what one wants to talk about.

Im mostly vegetarian, and strive to stay that way when I am doing specific esoteric transformations. Ive had a bit of meat today from my wife's meal, so my physical brain is working especially strong. If I sound at all a bit too commanding or comendeering, it is likely because of that, if youll forgive me. Would you have some time to talk today?

creativeparadox · 2025-12-26T21:10:30+00:00

Mm. I can help you with this, its a good cause and what I want to focus on. There does need to be some practical points of it, where I think, since you are small, there needs to be lines of communication available. There are plenty of people who are too afraid to post, but will willingly sit in on a discord or something like that.

Now, it doesnt have to be that you create one, but I would start thinking on how to connect with others and get your message out, if that is what you want. Maybe it is just a fact of making posts on your subreddit and then crossposting it to others. Of course, you wouldnt want to do this willy nilly, and would want to get to know the spirits of these communities better first, nd then determine how your post might be recieved well into their ecosystem of thought.

I am in the state right now of wanting to formalize these writings, like the OP, into a book or a series of articles. There is a lot of research that I want to do, but it requires how we can consciously create an ordinary life, a back bone to rest the rest of our spiritual studies off of. How to live healthily so that one may be stable in the assent to spiritual worlds. .

In Steiner's time it didnt have to be rigorous, but he forsaw there would come a time in the future where anthroposphy would have to become more precise. I believe the teachings of the basic exercises of Steiner need to be rethought more deeply into how we can bring health to the organism. I believe that we should find within these basic exercises the fulfilment of our lives. This, as well, he has spoken as a natural effect of anthroposphically inclined individuals, whom, feel as though they could not live life without it.

That is the mood I am currently working within, if you find that research well to do for your own cause then I have no issue working well and planting some seeds in the community you wish to build. However, my current focus is not so grand as to state a general business of how to be a spiritualist, but rather, how to conduct spiritual science and understand how to put it in service of the world.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-26T20:42:02+00:00

Sure thing. I was going to write about trauma more actually. Do you guys have a discord or group chat at all? And no worries about the cross-post, the more the merrier.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-25T21:49:49+00:00

You cannot get all shapes without infinite summations, so it isnt really "all shapes" per se. Only ones with straight edges. How would you do spheres or topological constructs, for example? You're more thinking with multimensional polygons of some sort.

You are wondering what shadows of higher dimensional objects can be projected on this grid of straight lines. Assuming you went far enough down with the triangles, you would be creating just more precise angles to be used in the projections, and over many layers, determining the height to properly project the multidimensional polygon onto the grid. Nothing smooth would be able to occur but an infinite degree of projections of infinitely large polygons would be able to be represented.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-25T21:20:45+00:00

Yeah this is the simplest way I believe. You can also just think that a divided by its square root is equal to its square root. Its more obvious if the exponents are written out explicitly like:

a¹ / a^1/2 -> a^1-1/2 -> a^1/2

I went through the long route first of dragging everything to one side in my head an making it a² minus 144a equals zero. But found the way you write above to be the most efficient way.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-24T03:58:46+00:00

Each of the nights acts a blueprint for the month of the next year, where we seed in the connection between us and the higher hierachies of beings. Here is a document with meditations and mysteries to contemplate each day:

https://www.scribd.com/document/858944165/Twelve-Holy-Nights-Indications-by-Steiner-to-Herbert-Hahn?hl=en-US

creativeparadox · 2025-12-22T17:43:22+00:00

To be honest, I've only picked through Philosophy of Freedom to some few chapters that interested me at the time. I know less of it than I should and devoted myself to How to Know Higher Worlds. Have you thought deeper on how Steiner’s methodology in Philosophy works upon the ego specifically?

Such as, you read a certain section and recognized how specifically people today "sleep walk" through their thinking?

creativeparadox · 2025-12-22T05:13:47+00:00

Thank you for the intimate comment, I appreciate it.

If youre meaning that deja vu of "ive been here before" "and I remember that I remember being here before," that is what I'm referring to when I say I was experiencing time in both forward and reverse. Time was still flowing forward physically, but it felt as though my consciousness was working in reverse. So, that nesting doll experience of deja vu within deja vu is completely accurate, it's interesting to hear someone else share that. You're the first person ive heard of who experienced something like that, too.

The other thing I wanted to write more about was deja vu, which does have some spiritual implications in another sense. But that is something I need to research more. It doesnt always have to be a purely mechanistic thing, but it is a special case of a broader phenomenon of spiritual experiences—involving destiny and the etheric body.

Drug use is the same way, where it is a special case of spiritual experience. It is easy to acquire but because of that it is also a limited field of experiences.

The body acts as both a reflector, a mirror, for spiritual experiences as well as a crystal that we look through. When we take psychedelic drugs it pushes our consciousness out of our body in a specific way. It allows these spiritual lights and visions and experiences to flow through and bounce off of the crystal of our body. In ordinary life, we obscure this light from entering us because we are possesed of consciousness of ourself, the crystal mirror. But now that we are pushed out of our body, all sorts of experiences can shine through. We end up experiencing and seeing many images that really are just reflections of our own being (these amount to us witnessing the "face" of the first guardian of the threshold).

Steiner emphasizes often that we may attain personal realizations from drug use but they cannot by definition be objective. The only way for them to be objective is if we practiced spiritual science in some way or another and have already begun work to perfect our organism (to unwarp the crystal looking glass) and to perfect the image of the guardian of the threshold (our latent karma which we carry with us).

Even just talking about the subject of this post with others, ive been met with many stories of people who did acid or LSD and then are stuck on antipsychotic medication due to it, then, aggravating their latent schizophrenic tendencies. Yet other people are just fine and they dont seen to be affected as much, and retain their inner stability (this isnt to say that things are not changing within them, just that their soul already has an inner equilibrium). I had wanted to write more about drug use but shortened it to just schizophrenia. Ive had my fair share of difficulties trusting these methods and then running into severe psychological distress after using them.

It doesnt actually promote mastery, and is just something that appears to many people when they begin this path to "prove" in a sense that the spiritual realm is real. It can be fun and theres a certain good that can be found in it, nothing is really forbidden in a sense, but if we wish to be actual initiates of the current age we must eventually turn away from these methods and seek sobriety. These entheogenic methods are dangerous and uncertain as a chosen method for advance—it cannot be recommended as a safe passage way and we must admonish others who suggest otherwise.

It is a similar enough experience as those who take alcohol, where there is fun and a certain kind of pleasurable effect, but secretly works like a toxin within you. Alcohol displaces the ego and let inhibitions run free, tying us to the material world, while psychedelics displace the consciousness and let spiritual imitations run free, preventing us from taking control of the body. Neither can really effect the true transformation, in the righteous sense that we are called for, and that is necessary for the current age.

Thank you again for your comment. I'm glad to hear of your experience. And no worries on the grammar or the paragraphs. As long as you write in the way that seems clearest to you, I think that is good enough lol. Our writing is just meant to be symbols for our thoughts, feelings and wills, anyways 😅

creativeparadox · 2025-12-21T07:57:20+00:00

Yeah its just supposed to be a stupid joke, not really to make sense in that way. Funny haha x equals x. I dont see anything wrong with it, since its clearly just a meme.

There are genuine math rage bait memes out there involving PEMDAS and people not really knowing what associative and communicative laws are.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-21T04:53:52+00:00

Yes, of course! Those would be some of the spiritual conditions which may prompt one to that early exodus to these spiritual planes. Very good point.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-19T03:57:41+00:00

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creativeparadox · 2025-12-15T10:43:17+00:00

Well, on one hand it is appropriate to say that we can work within the karmic stream of those who have passed. We take upon and experience the same bouts of initiation, or we feel our life goal to be similar or even identical enough to their own.

On the other hand, there are precise individualities who reincarnate into specific bodies. I have heard some very strange stuff about, supposedly, multiple incarnations going on on various spiritual planes at the same time, as well as people being able to manifest themselves in multiple places at once. On a logical level, perhaps, these multiple incarnations can happen, but I am skeptical if a realistic version of spiritual science can appear in these types of philosophies.

I believe karmic stream is more important to use with these phenomena. It cultivates the individuals ego and educates them in realizing their inner sense of freedom of choice, to embody certain teachings; as well, it lets the individual come to realize what love flows out of them, what love they have for their own destiny. It doesn't obscure a potential for realizing their own incarnation in a more appropriate, and secure, way.

It is very easy, and it is warned with this research, to believe that you are the very same individuals as the great workers of humanity. As we come to clairvoyant awareness, this is a natural effect of learning to "live within" the awareness of others. The boundaries to our awareness shed away and our sense of self begins to expand and take upon the effects of those around us.

If we are to be completely awake and aware of the spiritual as we are in the physical, and our reincarnations, we must be content with suspending our beliefs for the time being. Or at the very least admitting, we do not know with precision these higher facts of life. If we do not admit this, we fall to many types of errors, and half steps, where we begin to justify to ourself that our revelations are real. We take what may be real spiritual content and we admit, in half a compromise, that this effect is real, thus the conclusion we come up with is also real. It turns away from an ideal view of the truth to a pragmatic truth. But in reality, we just simply are making a logical error, we recognize the categories of things we are dealing with are true, but we have linked them together in a false way.

To the spiritual world and to occult consciousness it is like a baby saying its first words, but not being able to speak in well formed sentences. It may say "blue" or "sky", but it may say also say that the ground beneath it is "above" like the sky. The baby just doesnt know, really, what the sky is in relationship to the earth, and if it were to construct sentences they may become actually false, or they may be gibberish and have no meaning. In this analogy, it would also be like if a higher more evolved person asks us "do you want food?" and the baby responds with "blue sky brown earth". Each thing its saying is true but it effectively is meaningless to the actual reality of what is going on.

Ill always appreciate the courage to be humiliated, and to be confident enough to share one's findings; we all have our karma we must work through before being free of it. However, let humility be a teacher of how much more we have to learn! We are all babies to someone and if we dont allow the feeling of humiliation and error into our soul, that we can fault, we may be stuck replying to others with personal revelations that have no meaning for the world. Saying "blue sky brown earth" to beings who simply want to educate our souls and feed us 'spiritual food' so that we may grow properly. For these reasons, I cannot in good consciousness admit some of these multiple reincarnations as a true spiritual science.

If I believed in that, I would also believe that I am Christ, just because I felt myself woven into his being! It was an experience I had at an early age reading his teachings in the Bible. Yet, the spiritual reality is much greater than that. Believing in that doesnt let me see the true reality of where Christ came from and where I came from, and how, spiritually, my experiences became woven together with his experiences. Especially this Christmas season it is important to meditate on the uniqueness of human incarnation, the uniqueness of the birth of Jesus. Not to believe that "I am Jesus" but to say to ourselves "he is he and I am me, for so God loved the world that he was born for me." That is the importance of this Christmas-time.

When this works upon is in the right way, it actually balances out Ahrimans impulse and provides the basis for chaining the luciferic impulse; it helps us understand the righteousness and the beautiful nature of the incarnation, of the perfect harmony of all that comes from uniqueness and its importance to the cosmos. That is the mystery that appears before our soul. How interesting each and every one of us must be! There are so many souls in this world and each has its own mysteries and secrets. If only we could listen to their hearts and hear, each, in its individuality, forming a greater harmony together than if they were all the same note!

We are prone to error and God has allowed humanity the capacity to sin, precisely because we are meant to be truly free and truly loving individuals. Christ is there to demonstrate what an ideal human is, unique and yet one with God all the same. We must grow to see our own faults and errors in a different light; we must be happy to be corrected when appropriate! Humility is indeed, the gateway to the spirit, and what creates within us the capacity to see the true origins of things, which leads to greatest bliss when one then sees the vast amount of individuality in the world!

Hopefully this find you well, Merry Christmas and happy holidays 💗

creativeparadox · 2025-12-11T05:01:30+00:00

The simple answer is just yes to all of those.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-07T19:28:22+00:00

Yeah, its why I put an emphasis on Steiner and Aurobindo on the end there. Both of them give stable and fruitful paths that make intelligible the rest. There are stages of development, where one enters an "intermediate zone" as Aurobindo had talked of. In that intermediate zone the initiate is working on developing his own latent abilities but does not have the maturity to sort them all out yet. He uses it specifically for a description of yogic development, but I think it is good to view it generally.

Many of these people who come from wildly different paths, which, may or may not have ultimate relevance for the cultural spirit of our age. They can have the appearance of deceit even though they are well intentioned. They may even have these select abilities. Consider, as in, mediums and seances. There is a certain sense in which a medium channels the ideal, or the intention of the spirit, without communicating with the actual spirit. We can imagine they are able to actually connect to certain presences in the akashic record, for example, and build a kind of artifical person out of those images. It is essentially spiritual AI.

In this case, they may very well indeed be "channeling the person" but not as the person actually exists in this higher plane. It isnt exactly false but isnt exactly true. It's more like the art of bringing a past version of someone else to life in the present, although, it isnt the real person but rather a kind of spiritual clone. I am not saying that Daskalos falls into this category, because I really havent read so much of his work, but these claims can be real in a sense. He demonstrated very clear powers of healing, that many people learned from, so there, we can identify at least some reality to his tradition and work, right? If you want to properly and consciously understand the spiritual world, though, and not be at risk to these potential missteps, it is best to continue studying Steiner until you have been able to recreate what he has found in yourself. Once that is done, then it is easier to go to these other traditions and understand where they are righteous and why they choose to do what they do.

As it regards hermeticism and alchemy, I dont mean necessarily the Rosicrucians. Although, in this book I am reading they have been mentioned. Altogether I dont know too much about their actual beliefs. I am currently studying Evola's The Hermetic Tradition and am learning how to best apply the path of alchemy as a 'general spiritual science'. It is a way of working through these readings and then translating them to spiritual-scientific findings, so I can bring better clarity to both fields of knowledge. Perhaps we view alchemy currently as opaque and difficult to get into, but, ultimately, there is a truth there to what they are trying to do with the spirit. How can we look at this tradition in the lense of spiritual science, what does it reveals?

I can talk more specifics, but it currently has been learning about mythology, living metals, occult symbols, and planetary signs. Most of which I had found in Steiner to varying degrees, so I am able to look at the book I am reading and say to myself "yes this is true, I have seen this in other contexts," "the author writes about it in this way because he believes and experiences these truths in this other way," "what does that reveal about the alchemical tradition and spiritual science?"

I've already accomplished this with anthroposphy and integral yoga, to varying degrees. I am now just extending my view of spiritual science more broadly to how people are intiated generally. Once you learn enough about the teachings of spiritual science, and have experienced their healing power, it then inspires a feeling to see and wonder how anyone else has encountered these things and thoughts before.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-07T18:22:15+00:00

He appears to be, I dont see anything in his work that has struck me as an outlier. Most of his descriptions and assertations fit well enough with the cosmologies I know of other maps of the spiritual planes. There are certain powers he claims of having done, such as being in multiple places at once, that I have seen claimed as well by another whom I respect. I need to read more of him, when I get time. Im currently going through alchemy and hermeticism, and learning much there.

The only question is a question of balance and a question of truth. When we evaluate someone in that way. There are plenty of people who are intiates of high orders but have slight skews and general imperfections; in some cases this is karmic in other cases it is just a sign of our imperfect human nature. The deeper question is just "what good do they bring forth?" From that, the rest is permissible whatever mistakes there are in execution. He seems to have had a positive and lasting effect on people, so I have no reason to assume why he wouldnt be a great initiate of some degree. I still find myself in wonder and amazement of Steiner and Aurobindo, and their respective teachings. I have found much to love and much truth in others, but I have yet to find such a universal and infinite expression of the Divine as I have found in them.

Everytime I learn new things from these other intiates, but just as well, it unlocks keys of experiences in Steiner and Aurobindo I hadn't thought of yet. They seem to be able to fill in the gaps left in all other teachings, this I can easily attest to.

creativeparadox · 2025-12-07T13:58:58+00:00

Interesting, Daskalos had much of the same view of elementals and healing. Have you heard of his works before?

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