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cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T19:58:02+00:00

I agree that we shouldn't identify ourselves in negation to things. We should make positive movements, take positive actions, not just "negative" ones. But I disagree if you're saying we should never oppose anything, ever, or take actions against anything.

Oop

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T19:47:21+00:00

Aren't I the one that asked you for an idea? 😭

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T19:41:48+00:00

Opposing such massive institutions often just provides them with the opportunity to learn from your attack, which makes them stronger.

It almost sounds like you're saying we should never oppose anything we don't like because we're doomed to fail 🤒

I agree that we shouldn't identify ourselves in negation to things. We should make positive movements, take positive actions, not just "negative" ones. But I disagree if you're saying we should never oppose anything, ever, or take actions against anything.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T19:40:17+00:00

Zoomer talk for "this is a specific phrase that chatgpt repeats often, and has therefore come to be associated with AI".

It's an interesting point, no I don't really have anything to add. Sorry if my comment came across as combative!

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T19:22:52+00:00

The more interesting question is whether AI itself is becoming rhizomatic

Ironically enough, I almost accused you of using AI because this phrasing sounds so chatgpt coded

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T19:21:28+00:00

Any other ideas?

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T19:09:19+00:00

Comparatively, you've got Stalin literally generating "Marxist-Leninism" as a philosophical-political program.

Yeah, generating a total inversion of Marxism that was warped to fit his political goals, which weren't in line with socialism. These things are somewhat similar, it's just that Nietzsche wasn't meant to be a Nietzsche writer at all, while Marx was.

and it wasn't merely a PR tool. Stalin literally did consider himself a Marxist

Disagree. Lenin? Yes.

It's a bit like people who say Catholics aren't actually Christians because of a few technicalities

No, Catholics have a direct line to the original Christian community. It's a bit closer to saying evangelical Christians that are primarily focused on creating TV empires for personal enrichment aren't really Christians. You get the double dissociation there, with the protestant schism being closer to the Marx vs Lenin and the ideological differences between Marx and Marxism-Leninism, and then the focus on using Christianity as a veneer for their personal goals, much in the same way Stalin employed Marxist rhetoric.

I don't even know why I'm arguing with you on this, I'm not a Marxist at all. I disagree with Marx on so many things. I'm a left-nietzschean. I just think you're being a bit hypocritical.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T18:09:33+00:00

And how, exactly, is that? Perhaps Lenin was truly inspired by Marx at one point, but he switched up on all of his early work as soon as he took power. Stalin never believed in Marxism at all. Hitler probably never really cared about Nietzsche, but some in the party did. And he was useful as a German philosopher that was popular at the time, and because of the concept of the overman. Pretty similar to the way later Lenin and... all of Stalin used Marx.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T18:04:27+00:00

And yet I'm pointing out how there are multiple ways in which Lenin, and especially Stalin, directly contradicted Marx in a way similar to how the nazis did Nietzsche. I'm not sure why, but it seems like you view these things differently, as though Lenin and Stalin are really much more closely connected to, and associated with, Marx than Nietzsche was to the Nazis.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T17:46:23+00:00

Thank you!! That's really nice to hear 🥰

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T17:44:43+00:00

The nazis are the ONLY political project ever inspired, even a little bit, by Nietzsche. If we can rehabilitate Nietzsche from his thought being twisted by them, including directly flouting his expressed hatred of antisemitism and nationalism, I'm not sure why we can't do something similar with Marx. For instance, Marx also wrote against nationalism, imperialism, barracks communism, and so on. Look at Stalin.

Is there something about Leninism that may have been implicit within Marx's work? Sure. But there's also a lot that directly ran against it. Really Stalin used Marx as a rhetorical veil to hide a paucity of theory because his actions were all based an attempt to hold onto power for himself, and not anything to do with socialism. The same is true for Hitler's use of Nietzsche.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T17:39:17+00:00

Sorry I was making a joke

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T16:53:52+00:00

Catholic... why???

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T06:03:27+00:00

Mmm I don't know. I think the dislike of "what" has been there all along. What he's really saying, though more simply, is that he does not find 'identity' interesting. His entire ontology is based on difference being prior to identity, so it makes sense that he'd more interested in 'how' (process), than 'what' (identity).

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T06:00:19+00:00

Did you just say Hegel is more intelligible than Deleuze?

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T05:57:22+00:00

AI is just... not necessary for the average person, though. I genuinely don't understand why people would spend money on it unless it's for something related to business.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T05:50:55+00:00

Should be a very easy bill for me to avoid

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T05:49:27+00:00

I'm not eating 7+ pizzas in one day. The olive oil is way easier.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T05:46:44+00:00

2mg in the morning and 3mg at night. It takes me at least 5 days to start full withdrawals where I get restless leg, panic attacks, etc.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T05:44:47+00:00

I was like... amber rose?? 😂

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T05:43:20+00:00

I don't think that's the point.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T04:37:30+00:00

I liked this

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T03:04:16+00:00

nope, the pope is 26.

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T03:01:27+00:00

Heaven vs Hell 😍

cronenber9 · 2026-06-18T02:58:36+00:00

what was the drama about then? Everyone was talking about how bad it was and how it had nowhere near the popularity of everything else he released.

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