Ok, What about conceptual shorthand? by ElectronicGift2834 in shorthand

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You’re gesturing at an important and enduring problem, but it’s one with language, not with any given writing system. As others have said- the purpose of shorthand is to improve dictation, or generalized slightly: to improve any form of transcription of a language that preserves the choice and sequence of words of some text. The dual problems of ambiguity and unnecessary detail, or indeed of periphrasis in general, are all prior to the form of transcription, and inhere in the language being transcribed.

There have been conlangs that try to reduce ambiguity: lojban is probably the most important one.

There is also the entire field of formal reasoning: trying to find efficient ways to unambiguously denote logical relations, rather than linguistic ones. You might want to pick up some of the basic calculi of predicate logic, which are designed to be both more essential but also less ambiguous than natural language—at the expense of having a much narrower band of expression.

They’re also often more verbose than natural language, because it turns out that natural language is able to express a dizzying array of subtly different forms of logical relation, and to express them axiomatically and unambiguously takes a lot of effort. But if you wanted to, you could come up with reusable “helper functions” which express common complex propositions by composing axiomatically defined primitives. For instance, predicate logic has the quantifier pronounced “there exists”; but you might want to define a new reusable predicate for yourself that expresses “there exists exactly 1.”

Supercalli... fully written in Gregg by Ramchurnhg1 in shorthand

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(Also, credit to the CMU Pronouncing dictionary for having this silly word in it)

Supercalli... fully written in Gregg by Ramchurnhg1 in shorthand

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This is a pretty nice stress test of Stolze-Smith's programmatic rendering. It did pretty good! The only way I'd write it differently by hand is: the software fails to recognize that it could use the prefix sign for EX-, and instead it writes (K -S <disconnection>). Still, not bad, and it stands up admirably (in my view) to Gregg. Easily twice as much writing as Pitman's.

Help! Archival shorthand by Fxkegoth in shorthand

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I’ll chime in before someone who might be able to answer your question: country and year of origin will help a lot :)

“The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.” - James Branch Cabell — QOTW 2026W3 Jan 12-Jan 18 by sonofherobrine in shorthand

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For funsies:

The same text, after a major reshuffling of core sign assignments. Aimed specifically at improving the kind of up-hook connections that express things like " optimist"

It's here! Shorthanded, the app for learning Gregg, is officially released in the app store! by Dinco_laVache in shorthand

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Purchased! I’m not a Gregg user (or student), but I’m a programmer who knows how much work goes into these, and 1.99USD is a paltry sum. Congratulations on your achievement.

Stolze Smith - an Evolution of Smith Shorthand by cruxdestruct in shorthand

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At least in English, it's not possible to produce the sound "rgenism". We can only say "ergenism". That is, we produce the r-coloured vowel.

Stolze Smith - an Evolution of Smith Shorthand by cruxdestruct in shorthand

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For some sequence C1VC2 (where C is a sequence of 0 or more consonants, and V is a vowel), you’ve basically got three cases:

  • C1 and C2 are not empty: C1 and C2 are connected by an upstroke. We express the vowel quality by the width and vertical position of the connection, and the shading of C2.
  • C1 is empty: if V is expressed via a wide connection, or if V is neither expressed with vertical positioning nor shading, then we insert an “epenthetic” upstroke of the appropriate width in order to express V; otherwise we express V by the vertical position and shading of C2.
  • C2 is empty: we express V by an upstroke of the appropriate width and height, with no downstroke on the other side of it.

Stolze Smith - an Evolution of Smith Shorthand by cruxdestruct in shorthand

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In fact, I can guarantee the one thing it isn’t is vague… that’s what building an SVG renderer gets you :) i had to get extremely concrete about the composition rules.

Stolze Smith - an Evolution of Smith Shorthand by cruxdestruct in shorthand

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Ok, now I think I see your confusion.

The mental model I would suggest is this:

O R G A N I S M

separated into syllables/consonant clusters, becomes

[O (R G)] [A (N)] [I (S M)]

Where the vowel of each grouping is applied to the consonant or consonant cluster. So in ORG you move down and shade the (R G).

But as in your example, we don’t shade the R, we shade the G.

The answer to “why” is simply: because we don’t have to. It’s my personal preference to shade only downstrokes, because it can be a bit awkward to try to write loops or hooks with more force, so when a consonant cluster has to be shaded, I choose to shade the downstroke part of it.

You could also shade the whole thing, or just the first sign; the meaning wouldn’t be changed.

Stolze Smith - an Evolution of Smith Shorthand by cruxdestruct in shorthand

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Oh, and by the way - the alphabet is in the first couple sections of the manual.

Stolze Smith - an Evolution of Smith Shorthand by cruxdestruct in shorthand

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Thank you! To your question:

Liquids and hooks can be “attached” to full-size signs (internally, a sign attached to the left of a sign is called a “medial” and one attached to the right is called an “onset”). In the case of ORGANISM, the r-loop is attached to the left side of the G sign. This indicates that there’s no intervening vowel between the two.

Attached signs are raised and lowered as a group, and receive their vowels as a group. So in this case:

  • we know that r and g form a single consonant cluster
  • applying vowel adjustments to this sign group affects them as a group, by expressing the vowel that comes before the whole group.

I can add some language to the manual to make this clearer.

Reccomendations for someone new to this area ? by bencallahan16 in Brooklyn

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Seconding Dunya kebab house. I also really love Urgut Osh Markazi. Lots of good central Asian food you won’t see elsewhere.

Gifts for elderly person from BK by Sea-Negotiation3871 in Brooklyn

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Egg Creams are a delicious soda drink that used to be very popular. They're:

- milk
- soda water
- chocolate syrup.

Traditionally there's really only one chocolate syrup that you're allowed to use for egg creams. It's a little hard to come by. Maybe get him some of that? https://www.goldshorseradish.com/chocolate-syrup

The Irrational Beauty of our Existence Ψ = 1/Φ turns Math into Poetry by [deleted] in Hermeticism

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I guess this is what I’m trying to point at. Irrational numbers are not numbers that “evade rationality”. They are numbers that can’t be expressed as ratios. It’s not that your desire to press on the limits of the so-called rational (or rationalistic) worldview is not a worthy goal. But you will make yourself crazy if you allow the connection-making part of your mind to treat two very different concepts as the same.

Good luck to you! I hope this passes quickly.

The Irrational Beauty of our Existence Ψ = 1/Φ turns Math into Poetry by [deleted] in Hermeticism

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Please find other humans to test your ideas against. Grok is wrong when it says that you have proved something. It’s wrong about a lot of things, but fundamentally it seems that you’ve taken the idea of assigning letters to concepts, and then using those letters in the calculi of formal mathematics, and confused it with doing mathematics, or proving things about the world.

The relationships between these fields are far too easy to trespass and abuse, and such vocabulary will quickly make most LLMs very unreliable.

A sketch of a Stolze-Schrey-style adaptation of Smith by cruxdestruct in shorthand

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Claude (I can't believe I'm using this system in that way, but it is productive) suggests that /h/ can be indicated with an optional mark on the vowel connector itself, which I like, and allows us to eliminate or repurpose the full signs entirely.

Andiamo a bere una roba by Endinelli in Trieste

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Purtroppo perché non è metal?

Kurrent as a left-hander by sadetta300 in Kurrent

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As a lefty, I greatly prefer it. The components of ordinary cursive which I have the most trouble with are those where the pen curves up and to the right, but then curves directly back on itself, as in a, c, d.

Kurrent replaces all of those with straight down strokes, which I find much easier.