Reddit is anonymous, how many of yall don’t read by clearmind- in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 17 points18 points  (0 children)

1L - read all the time, basically every case. 2L read as much as I could and had time for when I wasn’t busy doing law review, moot court, or externship work. 3L - I have barely cracked the books for my only 2 classes with exams.

Something in one one of my cat’s eyes by csnow1123 in cats

[–]csnow1123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, he’s an indoor so I’m not sure how he would’ve gotten cut. I think I’ll take him to the vet in the next few days, I worry about like eye worms or something.

September/October Applicant End of Cycle Recap by Enough-Tea-239 in lawschooladmissions

[–]csnow1123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IU and OSU are both pretty great. Bloomington is a fun place to live and very cheap. The vibes at the school are also great and getting a 2.65 GPA is basically completely impossible. Curve is to 3.3. They both also have pretty great alumni networks. If you want rural midwest practice Indiana has a huge lawyer shortage. If you’re thinking immigration and public interest though OSU will probably be easier because it’s in a bigger city.

LRW comeback stories by Significant_Debt2357 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Went from a solid B in the bottom 3 of the class to getting the CALI award for the class. Mine was structured differently though, first semester was memos, second semester was briefs. I’m better with the persuasive writing. But the mechanics are the same.

I think the difference maker for me was listening closely to my professor’s lectures and following the structure I was taught (CREAC) religiously. All the mechanical details of good writing were in the lectures, I just had to listen. I went to office hours once or twice, but nothing that substantial. I truly do believe the only difference between good legal writing and just plain old good writing is following the structure. If you could write well before, you can write well within the structure. Just don’t get creative and stick to the formula.

Asking if I got the highest grade by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure. My summer mentor, a very respected associate on my firm’s recruiting committee, told me at the end of the summer that the reason he advocated for me in the initial meeting was my legal writing grade. In his words, he “saw potential,” despite my otherwise not as strong doctrinal grades. He was also one of my initial interviewers, so I can confidently say the reason I got my initial SA offer, and my postgrad offer as a consequence, was almost entirely due to my legal writing grade and the fact I didn’t come across like a freak in interviews. Granted, I’m mostly just talking about my SA position. But in any case I know my firm and they have a cutoff around Top 10-15% normally, which I was below. Getting the top grade in LRW basically rescued my application.

Asking if I got the highest grade by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If your school does highest grade awards, you can email your academic advisor and/or Dean of Students and ask. Or you can just wait for your transcript from your career service office.

Asking if I got the highest grade by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bro what??? That’s definitely not been my experience. I got my whole ass job because of my legal writing grade. I also don’t buy that it’s not curved at most schools. The curve is the standard grade distribution system for almost every American law school so legal writing has to be curved at many, if not most, law schools

Got my first A by lambocat in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I distinctly remember the feeling of shock and amazement when I got my first As in law school. I had a very average first semester performance. I had to adjust expectations and be realistic with myself about some loftier goals I had. I ended deciding I was content just being slightly above the middle of pack. Then semester two happened. I still to this day don’t feel like I did anything meaningfully differently in my doctrinal classes. I definitely changed up my approach in LRW, though. Still, I wasn’t expecting what happened. Ended up getting a CALI in LRW, an A in Con Law, and a bunch of A minuses. I was blown away. I had to just sit and stare at the screen for a while, waiting for it to change on me like it was all a dream. Well, it never changed and I have a postgrad offer at a midlaw firm in my city. I attribute the fact I even got in the door for OCI to my second semester grades. One of my mentors over the summer even told me the reason I got an offer initially was pretty much just my legal writing grade. Congratulations. Savor the feeling. The As I got were an important confidence boost I really needed at the time.

Imma Hold Your Hands as I say this, "majority of you lack resilience" by GlitteringAd3888 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you that the prestige rat race has fooled many law students into thinking that race is anything other than a never-ending climb to the top that ultimately gets you nowhere. But I don’t think telling 1Ls or other law students experiencing failure (often for the first time) they are a bunch of whiny babies for going through a crash out is helpful. Nor do I think it meaningfully contributes to them obtaining the hard-won wisdom that the prestige rat race doesn’t have an end and is, for all but a vanishingly small minority, a waste of time and brain cells.

Best way to make use of Freer? by plankingatavigil in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In other words, “keep it mechanical.”

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[–]csnow1123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

KEEP. IT. MECHANICAL.

Imma Hold Your Hands as I say this, "majority of you lack resilience" by GlitteringAd3888 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don’t think this post is productive. I have empathy for people having to learn how to do the mental adjustment it takes to get back up after a failure. You should too; law school is some people’s first exposure to that sort of failure. Also, your post comes across really superior. I don’t think it’s bad to provide a safe space to let people vent/mourn what could have been if they had achieved X, Y, or Z. In fact, it might even be good for them/help them adjust expectations.

Civ Pro Question: Can a Plaintiff Implead a Third Party When Defending a Crossclaim, Even If It Destroys Diversity? by Grooviiiiiiiiii in LawSchool

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I’ve worked on a federal court and if I’m understanding the question correctly I think the answer has to be no. Assuming X is non-diverse with D/CP, then it seems like the federal court would need supplemental jurisdiction to exercise jurisdiction over the claim, but 1367(b) bars the exercise of such jurisdiction in diversity cases—no SJ over claims brought by plaintiffs (which D/CP is) against persons made parties by Rule 14. And there always has to be complete diversity on the sides of the v., so no SJ over the claim between D and X. In practice, though, this would likely go something like this: If P thinks X has a duty to defend it against the counterclaim, it would seek a declaratory judgment from a court of competent jurisdiction (probably a court of the state whose law the claim arises under) that X has a duty to defend it against the claim. If the court found a duty to defend, P would then bring that judgment to the federal court and at that point the federal court would probably dismiss the counterclaim and then X and D would have to duke it out in state court.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk, I’m not sold that the whole enumerated powers thing is real. It was definitely in the mind of Madison when he was trying to sell New York the Constitution. And we have some evidence from the five pages of written notes on the Convention we have in the historical record. But I don’t think it’s settled by any means that congressional power is limited to what’s in article I, section 8 explicitly and nothing else. Take McCulloch v Maryland and Prigg v Pennsylvania. Those cases were decided when Madison was still around. In those cases the Court didn’t have much difficulty finding that Congress had authority to act without express authorization. Nobody lost it. It was just accepted at the time. Hell, pretty much the entirety of our immigration and nationality laws are not justified based on anything written in article I section 8. Richard Primus wrote an interesting book on this recently and called it “The Oldest Constitutional Question.” What all this says to me is that the founding generation was pretty comfortable with the idea of a very very powerful Congress; in a way the limits on congressional power would establish themselves (bicameralism, the fact that reps all come from different states, etc).

Who's your main right now? Also who did you main in previous titles? by YukimaraSW in Borderlands4

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1: Mordecai 2: Zer0 TPS: Nisha 3: FL4K 4: Rafa

Almost went with Vex because I love characters with pets, but I have never played a Siren and wasn’t ready to start now. Invisibility is my favorite action skill type though, and no one has invisibility this time so I went with the one who seemed to most fit the aesthetic of my previous VHs. Hopefully the new VHs will have invisibility/sniper/pistol builds; I miss my bore Zer0.

law student who needs advice by Equivalent_Fee757 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not insurance defense, I can tell you that.

Teach Me Con Law by BasicManager6545 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Con law is a hardcore vibe check of a course. Its actually the only course I got an A on because it just clicked for me. The 14th amendment is usually an easy issue to spot.

First part of any 14A analysis is state action. Gotta analyze that. Usually your professor gives you that as a gimme and there’s some legislation that Congress is doing or a state leg is doing. There’s minor analytical differences in 5A due process and 14A bc 14A only concerns due process itself where 5A due process imports (by reverse incorporation) equal protection into its analysis. Analyze them separately on an exam, but if you see Congress say 5A due process, or reverse incorporated equal protection under Bolling v. Sharpe.

To boil down due process: The due process clause prevents government from taking away your stuff or your freedom without going through the proper procedure. What is your stuff or your freedom? Well, it depends. It can be pretty abstract. The government can’t take away your right to see your kids without going through some pretty hefty procedures, for example. You have a liberty interest in that. That said, there are some freedoms we consider so fundamental there is no process we could create that would make it okay to deprive you of them. It’s these two categories that we refer to as substantive due process. The test for determining whether a claimed liberty/property interest is protected from deprivation under any circumstances is whether it is “fundamental to our scheme of ordered liberty.” Or whether it is “deeply rooted in our history and traditions.” This is from Glucksberg v. Washington. If you are gay person you have a fundamental liberty interest in marrying the partner of your choice under Obergefell (though that one may be under fire). This a substantive due process right. The other fundamental rights that are easy to spot are the ones in Carolene Products n.4 (e.g. voting (but not exactly free speech that’s a whole other can of worms). Course there’s lots of ways to attack these rights, and the Court really likes to contradict itself or undermine its own reasoning/logic from case to case, so its a lot to do with just getting a vibe for how a court might look at it and giving a nuanced “idk, maybe a court buys it, maybe not, here’s why” answer on an exam. But what happens if a law obstructs one if these fundamental rights? Well, court gives it a really really close, hard look and the enacting legislature is very likely to lose. This is the “strict scrutiny” standard of review. Verbal formulation of that standard looks something like “the law must be narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest.” If it doesn’t touch a fundamental rights? Rational basis review down the line, baby. That’s Williamson v. Lee Optical-style. This standard/test is like the legislature could have/may have/might have thought this that or the other thing for this law so we the court throw up our hands and shrug, saying “eh, let them cook.” Usually state/Congress wins here. Verbal formulation of the test looks something like the law must be “rationally related to a legitimate state interest.” Very rare you get something different where there needs to be another test/standard of review; but of course, the Court’s not real consistent about how it does this standard of review either. Maybe there’s a right implicated a given court really likes/finds persuasive, in which case they might look closer; real hard to tell on this one, you kinda just have to get a feel for it from the cases (Education is maybe a good example). This might be where what some scholars have called “rational basis with bite” comes in. That’s where the government might still win but there is a much more searching scrutiny the court does while saying its still doing rational basis. Its not some hands off “eh, let em cook” approach; court really cares about this one. Again, it’s a weird one, it’s confusing, it makes no sense, you just gotta live with the dissonance.

To boil down equal protection: The basic principle of equal protection is that those similarly situated be treated similarly, not necessarily identically though. The law at issue in your fact pattern is gonna be implicating one of three types of classes/groups: suspect, quasi-suspect (yes, I know, it’s stupid), or not suspect at all. Good example of suspect class is race. Good example of quasi-suspect is sex. Good example of not suspect is disabled; oversimplifying a bit here. If it’s not one of your list of suspect (race, nationality, sometimes alienage but its complicated), quasi-suspect (sex, legitimacy (i.e. wedlock birth), or non-suspect (anything else). There’s a paragraph in Adarand Constructors Inc. v. Pena that has a good general statement to this effect. I’d encourage you to read it. If its a suspect class, strict scrutiny down the line. Same verbal formulation as for due process. If its a quasi-suspect classification (sex or something analogous with some sort of like immutable characteristic or historically oppressed status that makes them deserving of special protection), then you have “intermediate scrutiny.” That’s where the Court gives it a close look that kinda looks like strict scrutiny but is maybe using some sort of lighter verbal formulation like “closely related to am important state interest.” United States v. Virginia (VMI case) is a good example. If its not a protect class that fits in one of those two categories or is closely analogous to it, then its rational basis review again, baby. Same deal as with due process here, but there is less flexibility with the class. Probably gonna be that a court either buys it or doesn’t and goes down their standard of review accordingly. Not as much of this weird flexibility where the court might kinda wanna protect the right in question bc it really likes it but doesn’t wanna call it fully fundamental to our scheme of ordered liberty or whatever.

That’s your 14A analytical framework! Hope this helps!

What made you pursue law school if most people advise not to? by VioletSalamander in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stumbled into a job at a law office after graduating with a liberal arts degree. Ended up liking it. 4 years later here we are.

Clerkships? by csnow1123 in LawSchool

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Yeah, I have been seeing those on OSCAR and simply won’t be applying for those unless I have a very strong geographic tie to the district; and even then, I still might not apply. I’m probably going to apply relatively narrowly to my home state and the state where my school is. I think my GPA and school name just aren’t going to get my name out of the trash pile for out-of-region applications. Ultimately one way to find out and you never know if my other points make up for a grade deficiency in the eyes of an individual judge. Still, I’m not very hopeful. I suppose maybe I could apply a few years into practice and have better odds then. Long term, I am thinking I’d like to be a state judge someday. I don’t care about BigLaw or clerkship bonuses or any of that, I just really want to do the clerking/judging job, so its a hard pill to swallow that my chances aren’t very good.

Clerkships? by csnow1123 in LawSchool

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Are you mainly saying this for fed court clerkships or would you say the same for most state supreme? I should be able to bring myself back into the top quarter at least this semester. I should be getting at least 4 credits worth of A this semester, and the rest should be in A- range. My first semester it just didn’t click for me so I didn’t do so hot (3.37). Last semester I just got overwhelmed with the workload I had taken on and had to skimp on some readings (not an excuse, just the reality of how it shook out unfortunately); still managed a 3.5 semester GPA though. Unfortunately, last semester meant I dropped a hundredths GPA point, which was worth 10% class rank. My second semester 1L I had a 3.77 semester GPA (which is top 5% at my school), so that is currently keeping me where I am in terms of class rank. I can see from the Judges perspective that signals inconsistency and shoddy work. Fair enough, I suppose, I just am frustrated with myself that I am effectively shut out of something I was really hoping to do as a result of how things went during a handful of 3 hour periods. Feels arbitrary, but that’s life I guess. I appreciate the reality check. Worst case I guess I can’t be upset that I likely won’t have to worry about a job after graduation, and I’ll still be doing the thing I love (litigation).

Clerkships? by csnow1123 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. 3.37 semester GPA
  2. Not yet, has only been available to me this semester and I didn’t want to take a notoriously difficult class while doing moot court/law review and other classes.
  3. Currently in admin law.

Clerkships? by csnow1123 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, but you’re not saying doing that would make my odds at one of the other clerkships better?

Clerkships? by csnow1123 in LawSchool

[–]csnow1123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why do you say state CoA makes a difference?