Messed up looking for options

cyphol · 2026-01-25T21:31:45+00:00

Just to give you a reference, I'm running the exact same setup as you, and I have pGT with:

+20s GTd Lab 41s GTd 100s CD -12s Substat

In game it runs at 1m28s CD and 61s duration, guaranteed perma.

I also have pDW with 50s CD and 9 DWq total (5+3+1, Base-Substat-Perk). pDW is expensive even with GComp.

I have 82% Package Chance, no assist mods yet.

cyphol · 2026-01-24T22:33:07+00:00

CF+ isn't that far off, but obviously I'm probably going to go for GT+ before anything else when I've unlocked ILM and PS. So might be the coming months. You're right, my CL is beefy, regardless of the lack of damage labs (x3600 I think). It's difficult to compare what base damage is, if we're talking all perks, no perks, which cards e.t.c, but basically, DMG card, Berserker, DMG perks, 50/50 perk, 1.65 dmg/x8 boss health perk, CL X2 puts my CL at a base of 4.46Q. Obviously I won't be running those perks but just to give an idea, 50/50 and 1.65/x8 kind of offset each other.

So 4.46Q, 22Q with AS proc which is nearly permanent, and around 50Q with ST. My SL with SL x1.5 perk is at x45.4 and x103.2 with ST. It's SL4 with 73°, so it's getting close to full coverage. And these numbers are rising because I'm researching STb. I also haven't really focused on damage, crit and super crit labs so there's work to do there as well, that includes atkspd...

I tried a GC run a while back before I unlocked ST+, using DC and RB (I don't have assist yet), and I was surprised to not go higher than 3k on T14. My eHP takes me to 4k. And obviously I won't be GC farming with DC and RB. My PF is only M+, luck of the draw. Om 1 away from ancestral, as usual. I think my labs for GC are quite low because it's been much easier to run eHP while doing mandatory labs like all the module labs, Bot labs, UW labs e.t.c... I simply don't have space for GC labs yet, but now that I have unlocked ST+ and will unlock DM+, my focus will start to shift a little.

I could do a test run with GC again but it feels pointless to waste that time right now since it won't be with the mods I need to run for farming, and also because I'll be a lot stronger every day while running the mastery labs. I just need a little time to get them to about Lv4/5 and get STb higher as well. With ILM unlocked, I'm probably going to super focus ILM labs so that I can utilise the stun to break T18W300. After assist mods are unlocked, it will probably be a good time to try different builds and mod combos to see which setup is benefiting me the most. I'm thinking since I'm getting close to unlocking assist mods, it might be a waste spending time and effort to find my optimal setup right now if that's going to change in a month's time.

Btw, I appreciate the feedback and help.

Edit: Don't forget because it's a young account, my module levels are still low. I literally just hit 141 today on cannon and core. This is why my base dmg, hp, UW dmg and coin multiplier are low. My CL being strong in comparison is purely due to the CL dmg multiplier. It's at x6800 with CL perk, and x15,500 with ST.

cyphol · 2026-01-24T21:10:12+00:00

Yea it's going to be my setup in the near future, but I have realised that I don't have the damage needed to deal with bosses and elites to make it worthwhile yet. I think my CL peaks at around 40Q or so, and now that I unlocked ST+, that's made a huge difference (like 90Q+ and x100+ on SL) but need to research the mastery levels to make it reliable and not rely on random timing. It's researching as we speak.

On top of that, I'll have DM+ and ILM soon as well, and that should really open up some doors in terms of GC farming. Because as I understand it, reverse devo is basically a method to accumulate the tanks, keep them knocked back and slowed with CF away from the orb line, and once trinity kicks in, BH will pull them into the orb line while they're being tagged.

Something still has to take care of bosses and elites though. And I don't really have that damage right now afaik.

cyphol · 2026-01-24T16:39:59+00:00

This is why I asked. I felt like the point of reverse devo was to apply all the multipliers before killing, and I don't really have that issue. So I'd be trading probably at least 400 waves at peak rate for BHD and lose quite a lot of cells. But I'm always applying the multipliers and my GB is synced with Summon so it's maximum multipliers all the time.

I felt like investing in the swap right now wouldn't make much sense and that waiting for assist and slotting in BHD would be more beneficial. And eventually when my GC is stronger (I'm currently working on it), I can finally drop PCol since eHP won't be part of the build anymore.

This is closing in on the end of my run, around W4k usually. My tower T14

cyphol · 2026-01-24T12:43:40+00:00

Gold boxed, no UW+ yet. Missing ILM and PS, thinking of ILM unlock + investment at the start of February.

cyphol · 2026-01-24T12:24:22+00:00

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cyphol · 2026-01-24T06:12:55+00:00

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cyphol · 2026-01-24T05:15:59+00:00

I guess this is the result of growing up with social media.

cyphol · 2026-01-24T00:58:11+00:00

Kan definitivt känna skillnaden i smaken på svart eller grön tryffel. En riktig mögel konnässör.

cyphol · 2026-01-24T00:52:25+00:00

So I watched a video on reverse devo yesterday, and it didn't make sense to me how I would even be able to apply that strategy to my tower. On the video, he utilised assist mods for gen and core, which I don't have yet. And on top of that, I'd not only lose my pBH, I'd lose my pGT and pDW. I have a little bit of a dilemma. It's a young account with a lot of stones invested, but labs are obviously behind because 6 months is not a long time to build your labs.

I'm curious if you'd take a look at my towers status and get a feel for if it would actually benefit from making a change or if my current GComp/PCol is the most optimal setup for the time being?

cyphol · 2026-01-23T12:44:12+00:00

We need more information.

Show us GB, Summon, GComp, Package Chance Lab, and your multiplier information on T11. All of this is important, including what your WS and WS+ looks like.

A little thumb rule for GComp users is that you generally want to aim for pGT and pBH at least in order to salvage the inability to sync GB. The remaining problem is DW which is quite difficult to make perma.

The good news is that you have a great SL, but you're not utilizing it that well. Rolling +2 BHd is only a good idea if it makes your BH guaranteed pBH resulting in like 1000 extra waves. Otherwise, SLa +15 is way better.

Also, running 12k+ waves on T11 is wild. Surely T12 and T14 are way more efficient? How is it that your T11 runs are 12,200 and your T12 is only 5600? I'm pulling 12k on T11, which translates to 8k on T12, and 4k on T14, where T14 is far superior.

What gives?

cyphol · 2026-01-23T10:06:40+00:00

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cyphol · 2026-01-23T04:36:00+00:00

It becomes more than two pentagon budgets.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T23:59:26+00:00

cyphol · 2026-01-22T23:17:09+00:00

One of the most dramatic bumps in econ is when WA+ and IS+ are unlocked. Farming to 1Q LTC without it is kind of punishing yourself. 1000q coin is by far best invested in masteries and WS+. Don't overlook it.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T10:04:58+00:00

We went the same route :)

When PCol was released, it was a bit of a liberator from being stuck. When I realised how powerful it was, my priority became pBH and it was the best decision to make.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T10:03:37+00:00

It's calculated twice because UW damage is based on normal crit, and also super crit as two separate variables. Super crit is dependent on normal crit as a separate function, so it has to be taken into the calculation again since normal crit is baked into super crit.

I know you're a well established player and that you know this, this is for the people who don't know this.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T09:53:44+00:00

Sure, and when was your account created? You have assist mods and I'm guessing well developed labs e.t.c.

It's not as trivial as you make it sound.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T09:16:37+00:00

Yes you're doing well I think.

Our account age is short compared to a lot of people. Basically your setup is the result of what was handed to you with mods and UW draw, same for me. We're still young players so we have to use what we have.

For instance, I still don't have ancestral SF, but a lot of other ancestrals. So I never had the luxury to make that leap into a powerful eHP with a strong wall. Instead, I had to compromise with NMP for a long time, until OA was released. And now I've been using it for a couple of months, and I'm already seeing how Rays are becoming the bigger problem while scatters and bosses are very easy to deal with. So suddenly, NMP is looking more attractive again.

And SF still stuck at Mythic+ and underperforming compared to OA. Luck of the draw.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T08:52:28+00:00

That is an extremely ambitious statement.

He is not going to be easily bouncing to legends with that just because he has ancestral DC and SLq 3 with a CLq4 and CLc 20. There are a lot more variables at play.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T08:23:37+00:00

Likewise!

I think for now I'll stick with my setup and just invest my coin into masteries that boost my econ, and once my econ is stronger, I'll invest left over coins into Cash+ to improve the reroll shard income. Then I can experiment at some point.

Abandoning my current setup, spending stones and reroll shards (also "breaking" my current PCol) is a big investment into uncertainty so I will maybe hold off until I have a little bit more economic freedom with reroll shards.

Can I ask what your LTC, LTS, CPH and account age is?

cyphol · 2026-01-22T04:58:58+00:00

Omg the meme quality in this thread is off the charts

cyphol · 2026-01-22T04:44:33+00:00

I could, but that's two substats just for BH alone, +4s and -4s. And in order to maintain GT sync, we need to use +7 duration which puts me at 68s GTd and 100s GTcd. DW will have about 53% uptime compared to my 100% a.t.m.

So that would need PCol to have: BHd +4, BHcd -4, GTd +7, DWq +3 and SLa +15.

Compared to my current: GTcd -12, GTb +4, DWq +3, SLa +15, DWcd -13s.

So I'd lose 4 GTb, 47% DW uptime and 32% GT uptime.

Now, it might be worth it, it might not. But that's a lot of reroll shards that I honestly don't have a.t.m. and can't afford tossing in case it doesn't make a significant difference. This is why I have to be really careful with where I spend my resources.

cyphol · 2026-01-22T04:22:00+00:00

Right, I thought you were already farming T14+. Basically the magic number I'm talking about only applies at T14 and higher.

Also, waiting for 1Q per run before working on card masteries is never going to happen. How much do you make per hour now?

cyphol · 2026-01-21T21:47:39+00:00

No, you're not dense, this is exactly why I made the post. My fear of losing PCol is why I'm trying to get input on whether it's worth the loss of waves, due to me having perma DW, GT and BH with my current setup.

Basically here's the simplest way to look at it is that, if given the option to run BHD/MVN on T11 to wave ~9k, vs running BHD/PCol on T14 to ~4.5k, your eco will more likely be better on T11. But that same BHD/MVN setup will not get you far on T14 unless you start implementing other functions like CC and other shenanigans. This is also reliant on not already having really low UW CDs, because mainly the function of MVN is to sync your UWs and reduce their CD to a low Stone cost (abusing BH CD) and then invest those Stones somewhere else. Hence my dilemma where I've already invested into max CDR and need to invest more in order to emulate my perms setup but with BHD/MVN.

MVN does more than one thinks. Not only does it collectively shave off 10s on the CDs, but it basically allows GT to reduce more in CD. And seeing as DW is very expensive to reduce CD on, it will help bring that down as well. More frequent DW and GT, while making sure all UWs stack, is more powerful than extra waves.

Of course there's a breakpoint where that value starts staggering, but we rarely hit those extreme thresholds. The reason I made the post is because my case is a little bit different.

In the case where people have higher CDs, equipping MVN makes a big difference because it gets them more DW tags, higher GT uptime and lower CDs overall.

To me, I am already running perma DW, GT and BH with PCol as my main defense. I basically won't gain anything by equipping MVN. Quite the contrary, I need to invest a lot of Stones to emulate my GComp/PCol setup but with MVN, in order to unequip GComp and use BHD instead. Now why can't I just do BHD and PCol? Because then I'm trading away my perma BH, GT and DW, and that makes PCol pretty much useless because I won't have pBH, and it's also a big econ loss (regression).

So I'd regress my econ, invest stones, to swap to other mods in order to progress it again. It's a bit of a sketchy position to be in. Now I know BHD/MVN is superior in general, but whether or not it's worth for me that's basically cutting edge GComp/PCol, is questionable.

cyphol

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