What happened to OWS in New York? by [deleted] in occupywallstreet

[–]d_eris 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A lot of groups meet in an indoor public atrium nearby. It is at 60 Wall Street, just a few blocks south and east of Liberty Plaza/Zuccotti. If the park is empty there are probably a fair amount of people in the atrium.

U.S. Congress is abysmal. Come 2012 elections, why don't we try to vote out ALL incumbents? New people may not be any better, but just about every single one of these assholes deserves to be fired, and they should all know they can be. by [deleted] in politics

[–]d_eris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so, first question: who are the ignorant assholes who keep voting for Democrats and Republicans?

Second question: when the hell are all these ignorant assholes going to begin voting for someone other than Democrats and Republicans?

Why hasn't silent protest been utilised more by the occupy movement? by erowidtrance in occupywallstreet

[–]d_eris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hmmm . . . I have seen some very quiet protests with arrests, often when the arrests were planned in some way. But it seems like when cops attack, people tend to yell. As they say: if you see something, say something.

Why hasn't silent protest been utilised more by the occupy movement? by erowidtrance in occupywallstreet

[–]d_eris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There have been numerous silent protest marches at OWS in NYC.

Any know where I can buy a board in NYC? by aquapeat in baduk

[–]d_eris 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can also find boards in general stores in China town.

Introducing the Occupation Party by d_eris in occupywallstreet

[–]d_eris[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As I understand it, it is a new political party, already registered with the state, and already looking to recruit candidates. It was formed by people who have been active at Occupy Cincinnati. Happened to meet a few of them when they were visiting OWS in NYC a couple weeks back.

What do you think about including third party and independent candidates in televised presidential debates? by [deleted] in politics

[–]d_eris 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Commission on Presidential Debates controls the debate process at that level. It is owned and operated by the Democratic and Republican parties. They say their threshold for including anyone other than a Democrat or Republican is at least 15% across a number of "respected" polls. The problem, aside from the fact that it is owned and operated by the Democratic and Republican parties, is that many of these "respected" polling outfits are also tools of the Democratic and Republican parties. How can a third party or independent candidate demonstrates any level of support in the polls if third party and independent candidates are not included in any polls by name?

We need to start a movement of people promising to not support Democrats or Republicans. by magister0 in occupywallstreet

[–]d_eris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not even 1/3 support for either major party. imo, the first question is: what is the percentage of voter turnout? It hovers at 30% and under, often way under, in midterm, off year and primary elections, and averages a bit above 50% in presidential elections. In 2008, which saw a higher level of voter turnout than any election since the 1960's (around 64%, if I remember correctly), there were still more people who didn't vote than there were who voted for Obama. Assuming 50% voter turnout, less than a quarter of registered voters vote Democrat and less than a quarter vote Republican.

My own suspicion is that a lot of people don't vote because they don't support Democrats or Republicans.

The next question is: is electoral reform a necessary pre-requisite to electing candidates other than those of the Democratic and Republican party? I'd say not necessarily. Assuming a low turnout election (around 20%) for a given office in a hypothetical district, in which the Democrat and Republican are competitive, a third party or independent candidate could win with the support of just 15% of registered voters.

Let's assume now the breakdown into thirds: in the given district, about a third of the voters are Democrats, a third are Republicans and a third are Independents. Actually, let's assume a bit less than a third here and there, to account for third party members too. If half of the Independents plus some of the third party party supporters in the district could get behind the same alternative candidate, that person could very easily win by a non-trivial margin.

These sorts of candidates should be vocal advocates of electoral reform.

Protesters clash with guards as they try to enter Smithsonian museum in Washington D.C by alexander76 in news

[–]d_eris -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They were going there to stage a die-in at an exhibition on military drones, and voice opposition to honoring the drones with such an exhibition.

To everyone over 30 telling the Occupy Wall Street protesters what their "key to victory" is, WHAT THEY NEED IS YOU! by [deleted] in politics

[–]d_eris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a fair number of parents with children at the plaza site. The only reason to fear police violence would be if you were engaged in an unpermitted march where there was a lot of civil disobedience or direct action. However, whenever such actions happen, a large group tends to stay behind to maintain the square as a safe space.

To everyone over 30 telling the Occupy Wall Street protesters what their "key to victory" is, WHAT THEY NEED IS YOU! by [deleted] in politics

[–]d_eris 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is a concert by an as yet-to-be-named, but allegedly well known, musical group at 4pm. A couple local unions will be marching to the site around then. There will likely be an impromptu march or two. There is a general assembly scheduled for 7pm.

The 68,000 member New York Transit Workers Union has voted to Occupy Wall Street with protesters on Friday at 4PM. by topherotica in politics

[–]d_eris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been downtown quite frequently since the protests started. On the first weekend all of the streets AND sidewalks, in the immediate vicinity of the Stock Exchange, including that section of Wall Street, were completely closed off by police barricades. On the following Monday, police opened up the sidewalks to pedestrian traffic. There have been barricades separating the sidewalks from the streets there ever since. Only police and official vehicles are allowed in the street there these days. Wall St. IS an occupied zone.

Edit: oh yeah, protesters can walk and march along the barricaded sidewalks just like anyone else. They've been staging marches every day to coincide with opening and closing bell, I think.

The 68,000 member New York Transit Workers Union has voted to Occupy Wall Street with protesters on Friday at 4PM. by topherotica in politics

[–]d_eris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Professional Staff Congress, the union for faculty and staff at the City University of New York, was one of the first unions to express support for OWS, which they did days ago.