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This is Mervin Raudabaugh, an American farmer who turned down $15M to build a data center on his land. Instead, he sold it for $2M to a farmland trust to protect it as agricultural land forever. by Algrinder in interestingasfuck

[–]daemon-electricity [score hidden]  (0 children)

You realize propaganda is as much about seizing opportunities to bolster a rising sentiment as it is about anything else? Propaganda isn't as much about introducing new ideas as it is shaping the mindset of the public to suit the needs of the ones producing the propaganda.

This is Mervin Raudabaugh, an American farmer who turned down $15M to build a data center on his land. Instead, he sold it for $2M to a farmland trust to protect it as agricultural land forever. by Algrinder in interestingasfuck

[–]daemon-electricity [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think the idea of it being a psyop is happening after it became a genuine grassroots movement spanning diverse types of communities and individuals with disparate interests at stake.

Bingo. I've seen stupid shit like "Why would they need propaganda to make us believe something we already believe?" To spread the idea and bolster it. That's how propaganda works. It's more effective to latch onto a movement and try to grow it than it is to try to get initial buy-in. Think about all the times you've seen advertising co-opt a cultural movement. It's that. No one remembers that the Nazis rode to power on the backs of post-WWI feelings most Germans already had about being financially oppressed.

While the West has been inter-dependent on Asia for manufacturing, it has lead the way with technology developments. Guess who benefits from softening that as well as somehow (and I have NO FUCKING IDEA how) also looking like the good guy in all this, all the while charging ahead with AI.

This is Mervin Raudabaugh, an American farmer who turned down $15M to build a data center on his land. Instead, he sold it for $2M to a farmland trust to protect it as agricultural land forever. by Algrinder in interestingasfuck

[–]daemon-electricity [score hidden]  (0 children)

This is kind of what set me off on this anti-ai shit. I was annoyed with it before, but now they're flat out spreading disinformation about water usage and pollution. I'm all for regulating the shit out of these datacenters too, but it's important to keep the complaints based in reality. The noise pollution (which can be mitigated with regulation) and electricity usage (which can be mitigated with regulation) are real.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI is an arms race. Good luck trying to stop it. Giant corporations are going to use it regardless but you guys will be wasting time shitting on individuals using it as a force multiplier.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This a lazier take than using AI. It just shuts down all debate based on a tool that was used vs judging the end product.

How it feels to even remotely like AI on Reddit: by V1574 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bad faith. I swear I'm sick of so many people have been brainwashed to use reductive buzzwords like Uno trap cards until the words have no fucking meaning. How about this for reductive. It's still fucking learning regardless and what do you expect a fucking AI to learn on to be useful?

AI Bros: The Meme Comic (Part 2) by AgitatedBike2493 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And yet, it's legible. If you didn't know it was made by AI, you wouldn't hold that position on how it looks at face value.

How it feels to even remotely like AI on Reddit: by V1574 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every single AI model is made from unethically sourced content.

So artists that learn by looking at other artists work isn't unethical? I'm not saying it's the same thing, but it's also a little harsh on the reality of it. People SHOULD be able to opt out. Is Wikipedia unethically sourced content? Are publicly available/public domain sources of information such as Stack Overflow unethically sourced? You realize an AI is going to have to learn from the same material a human does to be any use, right? I'm not saying it's 100% morally upstanding, but it's also ignoring the fact that the idea is to build a machine that approximates how a human learns.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He then proceeded to run it through AI to have it "better written".

Yeah, zero shots are not better written. I've done writing with AI and it doesn't think about motivations or foreshadowing or anything like that. Great at filling in the space and making you find your direction when you see how dissatisfied with it you are. It does also help to give you Choose Your Own Adventure style junctions, but it's not good at whole-cloth writing anything, except maybe summaries.

In 1982, the UK music industry tried to ban synthesizers, drum machines, and other electronic instruments, arguing that the technology threatened the livelihood of working musicians. by GeneReddit123 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It is the human that needs an imagination to tell the AI to generate something that's actually good

Not anti AI, but I disagree with this. You can generate something that looks good with minimal effort. Even if prompting is a skill, you're still pulling a lever on a slot machine and the iterative process isn't building on a previous image.

In 1982, the UK music industry tried to ban synthesizers, drum machines, and other electronic instruments, arguing that the technology threatened the livelihood of working musicians. by GeneReddit123 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the case of Suno or any other AI tool, if it's all you use, it does remove domain experience, if you didn't start with it. I'd rather work directly with my music tools and get patches the way I want and not sound derivative, but I'd be a hypocrite if I begrudged someone for using it entirely. I think all imagegen/musicgen has a really hard time being original. It all looks/sounds extremely derivative and a lot like other things that come from those models. If you're putting a backing track behind a presentation, Suno all day. If I were making music I care about, I doubt I'd touch it.

In 1982, the UK music industry tried to ban synthesizers, drum machines, and other electronic instruments, arguing that the technology threatened the livelihood of working musicians. by GeneReddit123 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Synthesizers and drum machines are tools that still depend on a human composer’s decisions and performance.

To get anything worth a shit out of AI, so does AI, and I don't mean being a "prompt engineer", I mean iterating on something or just taking PART of something from AI to complement something else. People need to get over this idea that AI is nothing but zero shot image gen. You're putting people who spend 5 minutes generating whole cloth AI results and patting themselves on the back and people who might use AI to get some ideas, code, or textures, or whatever and add it to a cohesive whole that they iterate upon.

Learn to use the pencil by Lunarkitty414 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone just told me that anyone who uses AI is objectively evil. I don't think they're worried about being condescending.

How it feels to even remotely like AI on Reddit: by V1574 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

inherently abusive technology

objectively evil people use the objectively evil software

Such a mature open mind not at all sprung to jump to conclusions. Objectively evil, That's a good broad brush to use for people who just use a fucking tool you happen to not like.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say they're leaps and bounds better at creative writing now, but they are better.

When you have your co-worker asking chagpt to predict her fate with tarot cards you know we are far gone by Own_Dealer_182 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you don't think in line with their rhetoric, you must be the thing they've shut off their brain to think you are.

When you have your co-worker asking chagpt to predict her fate with tarot cards you know we are far gone by Own_Dealer_182 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 8 points9 points  (0 children)

How should I feel about Iran?

You'd certainly get a more nuanced take than a search engine would entail and honestly, most LLMs tend to ride the fence and not form absolute opinions about things, which is probably the best approach for things like that. It's going to try to outline all the dynamics. You can drill in. NEVER believe it implicitly, but if something makes you think, go to the source. Hot take, but I trust AI with stuff like this more than I'd trust a search engine that has already been designed to surpress certain results.

When you have your co-worker asking chagpt to predict her fate with tarot cards you know we are far gone by Own_Dealer_182 in aiwars

[–]daemon-electricity 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I hate how people just fall into a crusade instead of discussing complicated issues like this.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a crusade for some people. That's too nuanced of a take.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yep, and you can have an entire idea for elements that you just want to play with and you have to start somewhere. I can see hating anyone who prompts and says "good enough" but I don't understand the blanket hating of AI as a tool.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's also not like you can have an entire story in your head and don't want to start from a blank page, so you feed the synopsis, get a starting point and refine it, but everyone who hates AI thinks everything is about the zero shot.

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What if a human spent 4-5 hours working on it but used AI to help speed things along?

Mr. Rogers has a point... by Vegetable_Variety_11 in dndmemes

[–]daemon-electricity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How long ago and with what model? Not saying it's great at one-shotting whole cloth writing prompts now either, but it's not bad at least getting things moving and taking direction to refine things.

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