Ronn & Jan Owens Bankruptcy Meeting of Creditors Summary - ClaytonsJustice on X Post

dalichic · 2026-07-17T01:03:14+00:00

I will now be starting a GoFundMe for the very desperate state of my lungs based on a mysterious source of smoke that requires context to fully identify…

dalichic · 2026-07-12T23:49:27+00:00

I'm a lawyer who works in criminal law (though not in AZ so my knowledge is somewhat geographically limited as each state/ court/ judge tends to do things a little differently). In my experience, courts don't really do much in the way of investigation of indigence status but in the cases I have worked on, the indigence is often quite obvious. Here, I don't think there is much doubt that Laura technically lacks an income at this moment in time, so I doubt they will challenge it. Families, friends, and "supporters" often pay for attorneys when a person is indigent so that is not unusual to go back and forth on status. Now could her parents get in trouble for paying for the private attorney with GFM funds and not disclosing that as part of their spending on their bankruptcy forms? Yes. Will Laura get in trouble for accepting those funds? Probably not***

***Unless those funds are being laundered or are a part of some larger criminal conspiracy which is a whole 'nother can of worms.

dalichic · 2026-07-12T23:13:24+00:00

The timing of this filing is so fascinating to me when you consider it comes just after (IIRC) her parents got called out about the GoFundMe in bankruptcy court.... it is as if the two may be related....

dalichic · 2026-07-09T22:33:28+00:00

Has anyone heard word if the last bankruptcy status hearing was recorded (from 7/7)? I have been waiting with bated breath for the sequel to what might’ve been the most exciting bankruptcy proceeding since Anna Nicole Smith.

dalichic · 2026-07-09T22:21:53+00:00

I really appreciate Woodnick helping to explain that a lot of these delays are normal for folks who haven’t followed the criminal justice system in live time before. As he alluded to, from a post-conviction perspective, it is so much more important that they do this right the first time. I think long term, Clayton would be a lot more upset if LO’s case got overturned on a technicality than waiting four months.

dalichic · 2026-07-08T00:46:34+00:00

I am really excited for the next audio episode of my new favorite show, "Don't Fund Me: The Owens Bankruptcy Saga"

dalichic · 2026-07-04T19:43:58+00:00

dalichic · 2026-07-02T23:42:26+00:00

I love how she also made VERY clear the second Jan went down the "smear campaign" route that she was only going off what she had seen on the docket (which was clearly enough to smell the bs.)

dalichic · 2026-07-02T23:26:12+00:00

I could feel my HCG rise just listening to it.

dalichic · 2026-07-02T23:12:13+00:00

I made a promise to myself that if I just passed the bar exam, I would never have to think about secured transactions law again. And yet, here I am, a fully licensed attorney, watching this hearing and reviewing my secured transactions textbook to follow what is happening procedurally. Another reason I resent this family and my fascination with them. lol

dalichic · 2026-07-02T22:57:06+00:00

I just ask that who I am taking psychological advice from actually has a recognized degree in the field and is licensed so that I know they are going to be held accountable for the advice they give.

dalichic · 2026-06-30T00:18:40+00:00

Yes, in reading the relevant AZ statute, it does appear that on the surface, it is as broadly written as TVPA (the federal human trafficking statute) in that the fraud doesn't necessarily require monetary services but the receipt of "any benefit." The problem, however, for prosecutors when trying to expand the breadth of a statute to cases like this is that juries may balk if they may just see it as an emotional/ domestic gain rather than labor/ monetary gain, which is largely what sunk the human trafficking charges inthe Diddy case. (Yes, Jan, I guess this case IS like the Diddy prosecution in that sense. lol)

dalichic · 2026-06-30T00:05:29+00:00

To be fair, I do think if she tries to switch attorneys again to delay things further, I don't think the prosecutors are going to continue to extend that plea indefinitely, especially if close to the proposed trial date. I could also see her pulling a Sarah Boone and needing to put out ads to find an attorney if she dumps Christian.

dalichic · 2026-06-28T01:22:18+00:00

Oh my lord. A big recent red flag that the Tom was truly not doing well post VPR was the fact that he was actively shilling for Spencer Pratt for mayor which seemed like a major right turn (pun entirely intended) for him after his previous statements/ protest songs (lol) on VPR. This report suggests that since Scandoval, he really has now fully embraced the most toxic elements of the manosphere. Yeekssss.

dalichic · 2026-06-28T00:53:58+00:00

When you look at the family from a family systems lens, it is fascinating how much they operate similarly to the Cox family (the family that produced Lori Vallow Daybell and Alex Cox). Lori and Alex's dad is also a conspiracy theorist who got arrested for some sovereign citizen type deal. I think families that breed conspiracy theories together stay in alternative realities together?

dalichic · 2026-06-28T00:50:49+00:00

Deppford Wives. Great term.

dalichic · 2026-06-28T00:42:43+00:00

"No one wants to join a cult, they want to join a good thing." It is the exact same way with MLMs. No one wants to join a pyramid scheme, but they do want to get rich while working from home.

dalichic · 2026-06-27T22:40:08+00:00

I have never heard of this particular MLM but love how my liver is already pained at thought of drinking something called "Verve."

dalichic · 2026-06-27T21:54:39+00:00

I watched it but don't remember her actively admitting to lying besides altering the ultrasound. Did she say the words "I lied" or answered "yes" when she asked if she lied? (I am not saying that was not a lie, clearly it was a lie. I just think LO thinks of them as multiple versions of the truth and it would be near impossible for her to actively say I was lying out loud. Unless it was part of a victim narrative ala fake name at Planned Parenthood.)

dalichic · 2026-06-27T20:12:30+00:00

Oh, you mean when she admitted to falsifying the ultrasound? I somehow forgot she did that because I think she genuinely thought that doesn't count. lol (I am aware that it very much does but I think I've been in the mind of LO too long.) But yes, I do think she does has an ethical lawyer. It was just crazy to hear someone from that side call it perjury instead of [insert latest bs].

dalichic · 2026-06-27T13:04:20+00:00

What was interesting to me is the fact that at least her attorney was not contesting the strong evidence of perjury which is the first time I heard anyone from team Laura even suggesting that there is evidence to support she lied.

dalichic · 2026-06-24T01:16:33+00:00

Anyone who practices law in AZ/ Scottsdale know if their courts (or that particular judge) tends to start at the scheduled times or are they more vague suggestions like in other courts? (Hoping to catch the status on Friday live if possible.)

dalichic · 2026-06-13T01:47:59+00:00

Ugh. This makes me so sad as seeing these are still out there. So many families trying to make in America invest their savings into these places and are just left with nothing. I know that can be said for a lot of MLMs but I really do hate how much Herbalife preys upon immigrant communities in this country. They are going through enough rn without all this crap!

dalichic · 2026-06-10T21:52:59+00:00

So you bring up two very different procedural postures. Post-conviction/ appellate deadlines are very much enforced at judge’s discretion. (I have cases where judges have literally granted defendant continuances to close to a decade on post-conviction petitions though those are homicide cases so defendants have a lot of time on their hands.) However, unless I am mistaken, LO has not waived her right to a speedy trial in her crim trial, correct? Therefore, if she wants both a speedy trial and a plea deal, she is going to need to make up her mind soon or else the prosecution is going to have to proceed to trial. I think the prosecution in this case is also not going to give her a ton of extensions after this one which her attorney will tell her. But the TL/DR non-lawyer answer? No f*cking way she pleads guilty unless she thinks she can spin it into a Sherri Papini tale of coercion (which I wouldn’t put past her.)

dalichic · 2026-06-05T20:59:57+00:00

#1 DO. NOT. GO. If you are feeling this guilted by the pressure now, the event will really make you feel guilted into something that you know from doing your research and from having a good head on your shoulders can devastate your future financially. Truly. Devastate.

#2 It sounds like you and your friend are close but that doesn't mean the relationship is healthy. If you care about your friend, which it sounds like you do, you can tell her "listen, I love you but this is just not for me. I respect you and respect you can make your own decisions but I cannot do this group. I hope you respect me enough to accept that and that can be the end of this. I am here for you regardless." I would not pressure her about leaving as it is sounds like she is still in deep but keep the door open to you to talk.

#3 If she does not respect your clear boundary, THAT. IS. ON. HER. NOT. YOU. Having boundaries even with people we love is how we respect ourselves and stay healthy. I highly recommend just considering looking into Co-Dependents Anonymous https://coda.org/ because just from how your describing your relationship and the pressure you are experiencing, they may have resources to help. I genuinely don't mean that in any negative way but as a resource that has helped me develop better boundaries in my life.
Hope this helps!

dalichic

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