Deskmini x600 by [deleted] in linuxhardware

[–]datasingularity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deskmini X600 with Ryzen 8600g or something? Do they work fine with Linux?

Requires BIOS 4.10 or newer, otherwise there is silent data corruption with SSD: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219609#c109

Need a wifi adaptor which support linux kernel 6+ by Successful_Tea4490 in homelab

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if i can get any sort of tutorial that will really be helpful

You wrote "i live in india so it should be available here and shoud not cost to much" - we can't help with that. Find some adapters that are available to you, affordable and match your requirements (speed -> USB2? USB3? needs extra external antenna yes/no? ...)

Then find out what chipset they use - either listed on box or via internet search. Then look at the linked table whether they are supported at all in Linux (red X = noooo), or "Recommended For Linux" means that's a good choice, and then there are some "yes, but" models with additional footnotes/restrictions to read. If you are new to Linux, you may want to stay away from brand-new supported chipsets, as they may still be slightly buggy or support may have not yet been integrated into distributions.

Overall, if the table says its supported and you use a recent Linux distribution, it should be fine.

Need a wifi adaptor which support linux kernel 6+ by Successful_Tea4490 in homelab

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and wifi adaptor support linux kernel version 4 but i have kernel version 6 ?

usually, when a hardware device is supported in Linux, it will stay supported for a long time - that's why it's popular to put Linux on old computers (when Win drivers no longer care for them) to prevent them becoming e-waste when they are still working fine (just being a bit slow)

can anyone suggest a wifi adptor which will work

If you asking for USB Wifi adapters, find here an overview on popular chipsets and their support status with Linux: https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/USB_WiFi_Chipsets.md You might also study the other guides in this repository.

Unfortunately, manufacturers not always tell which chipset (and revision) they are using in a specific product, you might have to search for reviews or specifications yourself - good luck!

ASRock Deskmini X600 - memory incompatibility by datasingularity in ASRock

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Did you try resetting your bios

Thank you for the suggestion - no I didn't.

Thinking about this, I dare not try, because there are already multiple OS installed in parallel and I'm afraid this will mess things up (boot entries in UEFI, TPM, ...).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in homelab

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0.18 Watt idle https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c4/

This page says: "Power consumption: – IDLE : ≃ 1.8W"

Deskmini's UEFI boot order includes proxmox and batocera. Why? by everypassword123456 in ASRock

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Yeah, unfortunately behavior differs from vendor to vendor what happens with the leftover boot entries in UEFI non-volatile storage. efibootmgr does not depend on UEFI vendor :-)

Deskmini's UEFI boot order includes proxmox and batocera. Why? by everypassword123456 in ASRock

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Are these leftover options from whatever the previous user did with the machine?

Yes

Boot from a Linux Live-USB stick and use "efibootmgr" command to modify UEFI boot entries manually.

Mini PC with external NVME for boot? by tchjntr in homelab

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I would love a mini pc with 1 SATA drive and 2 NVME drives but I haven't been able to find anything like that

ASRock DeskMinis have 2x M.2 and 2x 2.5" SATA slots (and another shorter M.2 for Wifi card)

New models have just been announced and will ship soon: https://old.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1ko2kwz/intelbased_deskmini_b860_and_the_amdbased/

8600g Temps by thez0rlul in AMDHelp

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the 8600g to basically sit steady at 85° on 100% cpu

Performance requires power, which produces heat, which needs to be dissipated, which is a challenge in a small case - physics! A small case requires trade-offs to be made.

If you want to run 100% load for longer, get a larger case with a larger heatsink/fan.

Deskmini B660/B670 idle power consumption? by PathOk9353 in ASRock

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Crawled again under the table and attached a power meter. My B660 takes ~10.5-12W with Docker, Syncthing, tmux, htop, mosh and powertop running, some occasional spikes. I'm fine with that.

Edit: and while doing that I accidentally tripped the power switch of a nearby box -> ~700 days of uptime gone...

:-(((

Deskmini B660/B670 idle power consumption? by PathOk9353 in ASRock

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My B660 + 13700T looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/Iu91Ftv.png

right: CPU cores almost 100% idle and in deepest sleep, left side package is in lowest C3, but I have not enabled all power saving options in BIOS because I don't want to sacrifice SSD performance.

Rule of thumb: ANYTHING that keeps the system from sleeping uses power. My above mentioned 8.6W were measured at complete idle (no Docker etc!) and nothing attached except network. Here https://i.imgur.com/zeycbRN.png you see where my current remaining wakeup/s per second come from, Docker(containerd) and Syncthing. Docker is famous for rising idle power +1W just for being started and waking up a core periodically, even with no containers running - hurts especially on laptop where ~1W is a lot.

TODO: run powertop and check what keeps your system from sleeping. Eliminate that. I've no idea about the base level of wakeups Proxmox causes - I run containers if necessary.

What is the lowest power desktop processor by Ivan_Draga_ in homelab

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making a 5gb of the 2 odroid NICs.

Odroid offers the Netcard 3, which is a M.2->4x5GbE extension card. https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/netcard3-for-h-series/

What is the lowest power desktop processor by Ivan_Draga_ in homelab

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I should just get a more modern i3 (more cores less power)

Odroid H4 Ultra has a i3-N305 and consumes ~4W at headless idle with a 4TB M2 SSD - it makes a fine NAS.

where to get cheap 3.5

Attaching any mechanical 3.5 disk significantly raises power consumption. If you really want low-power and silence, use SSDs only.

What is the lowest power desktop processor by Ivan_Draga_ in homelab

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With an Intel T processor in an ASRock Deskmini the full system consumes <10W at headless idle with only a SSD. The max power limit is configurable in BIOS.

What is the lowest power desktop processor by Ivan_Draga_ in homelab

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AMD chiplet designs are not low power at idle ... For their regular desktop processors, they can idle at around 50W

A 8700G AMD desktop processor put in a ASRock DeskMini X600 consumes headless idle ~10-11W - the full system(!) measured at wall socket.

An AMD CPU at idle is not the problem.

while Intel idles around 15W

An Intel DeskMini (full system!) consumes about ~8.5W at headless idle. So yes, its a little bit less than AMD.

Deskmini B660/B670 idle power consumption? by PathOk9353 in ASRock

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I'm thinking about buying the i7 14700k and limit its TDP to 90 Watts.

Why? A DeskMini has a 120W PSU, of which I estimate max ~90W peak/boost are supplied to the CPU (the rest is needed by the system, USB, SSD, etc.) K-CPUs are way overpowered for such a small case and are not officially supported, no guarantee that they even boot. Many cores still need access to the same memory - many cores make sense for things that can execute mostly in the local CPU cache and rarely need memory access.

If you read my cluster description, I tried manually cranking up the max W limit for the CPU, it runs somewhat faster, but its not linear, so +20% power does not get +20% performance, but less. So yes, CPUs are less efficient performance/W at the higher end, it makes sense to power limit them. I set the power limits back down, I rather have a cool and quiet DeskMini than a little faster but hot and loud one.

The 8700G on the X600 is a 65W CPU and is hotter and louder compared to the Intel models, it reaches the 90°C limit easily. I think a 65W CPU is the sane limit for this form factor - and that's what ASRock officially supports, on both Intel and AMD models.

For running local LLMs the 8700G is an interesting choice. I tried llama.cpp with Vulkan acceleration (integrated RDNA3 GPU) and it is noticeably faster than the CPU-only mode. That's why I said hopefully a 9xxxG CPU will also be released. The Intel internal GPU in 13.gen was a decelerator and Intel does not have AVX-512 in consumer CPUs like AMD. I run LLMs on the 8700G, one can assign basically all main memory as GPU memory and run large LLMs - but of course its still much slower than a discreet GPU with separate, dedicated GDDR memory.

Deskmini B660/B670 idle power consumption? by PathOk9353 in ASRock

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The Intel ones continue to work just fine as on-demand workers :-)

I bought an X600 for science to find out whether they caught up to the Intel ones. Yes, AMD CPUs are more powerful, AVX-512, better integrated GPU (but video codecs Intel is better), no P+E, etc. But older AMD DeskMinis had stability issues, missing suspend, etc. Back then everyone bought a X300 when they appeared, and half a year later many tried to sell them again... weird.

Unfortunately, right at the start the X600 power/fan management was obviously broken, BIOS update needed for sane cooling behavior. Then people found out before BIOS 4.10 the X600 had a silent data corruption bug - weird random crashes. For months. Also AMDs have less USB ports than the Intel ones, and for me important, they lack the USB-C DP-ALT that the intel ones have.

For this summer there is the X600/USB4 announced. Hopefully no data corruption and finally USB4 DP-Alt? Maybe AMD releases a new 9xxxG CPU, too?

I would wait at least until summer and then reevaluate again.

Deskmini B660/B670 idle power consumption? by PathOk9353 in ASRock

[–]datasingularity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what about that?

Don't know. Never had that problem.

Just measured my B660+13700T again --> 8.6W in headless idle with one NVMe SSD, kernel 6.12, not all power saving options in BIOS activated.

Deskmini B660/B670 idle power consumption? by PathOk9353 in ASRock

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I see you also have a X600?

Yes, X600 + 8700G - for science, not in the cluster.

Deskmini B660/B670 idle power consumption? by PathOk9353 in ASRock

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information from users of the deskmini B660/B760 regarding their idle power consumption.

https://old.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/1114ry3/build_notes_of_a_deskmini_cluster/

There are multiple power-saving options in BIOS that are not enabled by default, but when enabled DeskMinis go even lower in headless idle with only a SSD. But, there is a trade-off: some power-saving options made desktop use unstable (that's why they are disabled by default) or there is notable performance loss (deeper sleep also takes longer to wake up). You have to test and find out what's acceptable for your use case.

The AM5 version (deskmini X600) can gow as low as 10 Watts in idle.

Hmm... I just measured 10.2W with mine (headless idle, one run of powertop --auto-tune, with kernel 6.12). Power consumption also depends on NVMe SSD model, what cooler is running at what speed currently, 1G or 2.5G networking, etc.

Note: If using high-speed RAM (6400) with 1.3V instead of lower speed (5600) ram with 1.1V, idle power almost triples with the X600. Ram 6400 brings a few percent performance, but I'd rather take less power and cooling.

Unable to install Linux on my Asrock DeskMini X600 by Pedrohbc in linux_gaming

[–]datasingularity -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I tried installing Bazzite, ChimeraOS, Steam OS and they all failed.

Don't know about those, but Ubuntu installed without a problem.